SCOTUS opinion leaked: Roe v Wade

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Primavera said:
Some are, many are young and naive, others are just too lazy to arrange contraception. Many are repeat abortions which is truly crazy in this day and age.
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Jesus Christ. "Too lazy to arrange contraception" is just another biased comment that excuses men from taking any responsibility in preventing births.
 
Primavera said:
Cuts both ways, the sistas seem to think removing R v W will mean returning to the coathanger for many. Fact is nine out of 10 abortions are performed before 12 weeks in many high-income countries, meaning that surgical abortion is almost totally unnecessary in this day and age.

Nine out of 10 abortions done before 12 weeks in many high-income countries

Medical abortion now accounts for at least half of pregnancy terminations in most of them

Nine out of 10 abortions happen before 12 weeks of pregnancy in many high-income countries, while the proportion of those done under 9 weeks has risen over the past decade, reveals the first review of its kind, published online in BMJ Sexual & Reproductive Health.

What’s more, medical (drug induced) abortion accounts for at least half of all pregnancy terminations in most of these countries.
The researchers base their findings on official statistics on the number of legal abortions carried out in 24 countries with liberal abortion laws, and classified by the World Bank as high-income. Abortion is available on request in 18 of these countries; on social or economic grounds in four; and for the sake of a woman’s mental health in two (New Zealand and Israel). The researchers focused on length of pregnancy–under 9 weeks; 9-12; 13 or more–and abortion method for the most recent year after 2010, and where data were available, for the 10 years before the most recent estimate.


Generally, most abortions were carried out by 10 or 11 weeks, and in most countries nearly all abortions (90%) were obtained before 13 weeks, with the highest proportion in Germany (97%).

The proportion of abortions carried out after 13 weeks was highest in the Netherlands (18%), possibly because of the numbers of non-residents seeking abortion care in a country where there is no gestational age limit for legal abortion, suggest the researchers.

“The increase in abortions earlier than 9 weeks is likely closely related to the increased availability of medical abortion, since when [it] was approved, the recommended protocol is for a medication abortion to occur under 63 days or 9 weeks’ gestation,” they explain.

“This trend might also be due to the rise in technologies for earlier detection of pregnancy, and the widespread availability of pregnancy tests that provide accurate results at early gestations,” they add.

But other factors, such as mandatory waiting periods for medical abortion and healthcare professionals’ conscientious objection, can delay or prevent women from accessing timely abortion care, note the researchers.

In Italy, for example, “it is estimated that 82%-91% of providers in Rome and the surrounding areas are conscientious objectors, and abortion services are only provided in 60% of Italian hospitals,” they point out.

This is an observational study, and it’s perfectly possible that the abortion statistics used for the analysis were incomplete or under reported, caution the researchers. But their findings “suggest improvements in access to timely care and a choice of methods in some countries, although research is needed to understand if the observed distributions are a function of women’s preferences or of barriers to care,” they conclude.

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroo...efore-12-weeks-in-many-high-income-countries/
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The US isn't mentioned in this article. And re: this sentence "The researchers base their findings on official statistics on the number of legal abortions carried out in 24 countries with liberal abortion laws, and classified by the World Bank as high-income," the US doesn't have liberal abortion laws.

I don't know what this article has to do with our situation. The right wants to make abortion illegal and they do not single out whether it's medical or surgical.
 
Flash said:
How is that misleading? The issue will return to the states to decide just like before Roe. What was deceptive about the story that said exactly that?

In my state the law would: make abortion a felony with exceptions "only to save the life of the pregnant patient or if they risk “substantial impairment of major bodily function.” Doctors could face life in prison and fines up to $100,000 if they perform abortions in violation of the law"
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What the most recent decision said was that the responsibility to determine legality of abortions would return to the states.

This decision does not make it illegal. It allows the freedom to choose to reside closer to those affected.

That you don't seem to understand that they were spreading propaganda and that you like to be propagandized is interesting.
 
Code1211 said:
What the most recent decision said was that the responsibility to determine legality of abortions would return to the states.

This decision does not make it illegal. It allows the freedom to choose to reside closer to those affected.

That you don't seem to understand that they were spreading propaganda and that you like to be propagandized is interesting.
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Saying the issue is to be decided by the states means each state gets to make that decision for itself. Nowhere in that statement does it suggest that would make abortion legal or illegal--that is where the state "decision" occurs. There is nothing deceptive or misleading about a simple factual statement that describes reality.

I get propagandized all the time including your post that the statement was misleading or deceptive. What were it trying to mislead us to believe?
 
christiefan915 said:
Did you write this? "Oh no, whores will have to go back to using birth control pills instead getting abortions, how terrible"

It sure sounds like you think women who've had abortions are whores.
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no it reads women that are whores will have go back to the pill, since you got so defensive one has to wonder how you make your living
 
Primavera said:
So why isn't it legitimate for me to call them lazy and using abortion as a form of contraception? Yes there are exceptions to the rule but what I'm saying is pretty undeniable, to my mind at least.
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Because once again, you are putting the burden on the woman rather than on both. You are using the terms "lazy women who use abortion as a form of contraception," if that isn't putting the blame on women I don't know what is. If lazy men used contraception as a matter of course abortion would be much more rare.

Then again all women have heard the story that wearing a condom is like having sex with a plastic raincoat on their junk.
 
christiefan915 said:
Because once again, you are putting the burden on the woman rather than on both. You are using the terms "lazy women who use abortion as a form of contraception," if that isn't putting the blame on women I don't know what is. If lazy men used contraception as a matter of course abortion would be much more rare.

Then again all women have heard the story that wearing a condom is like having sex with a plastic raincoat on their junk.
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Give me a break, I don't give a shit who uses contraception as long as somebody does, so stop being so contentious and argumentative.
 
Primavera said:
Give me a break, I don't give a shit who uses contraception as long as somebody does, so stop being so contentious and argumentative.
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The facts speak for themselves, 45% of all abortions are repeat procedures and 7% of the population, ie black women, are responsible for 40% of all abortions.
 
Primavera said:
I truly cannot understand why so many women take it upon themselves todefend such rampant irresponsibility.
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me either. and I support keeping Roe.
abortion was supposed to be "rare"and a last resort -in these cases it's repulsive laziness or whatever
 
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