Economic capitalist productivity. That's fucking awesome. It's no wonder you love Sarah Palin.
Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts
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Economic capitalist productivity. That's fucking awesome. It's no wonder you love Sarah Palin.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Here's what I stated, Nigey:
Yes, it's actually what is driving the recession we're in. This administration, and 4 years of Democrat-controlled Congress, has discouraged capitalist expansion and punished increased productivity. The "War on the Rich" has fostered an atmosphere of no economic growth because being more productive means higher taxation and regulation.
So, it's clear to see, I am not talking about individual per-hour productivity of the average worker in America, which is the pretzel you wanted to twist my statement into and argue. I am clearly speaking of capitalist expansion and economic growth through that expansion, and the "productivity" which would occur as a subsequent result of such capitalist expansion. Now, I am really sorry you don't understand what I said but I made it more than abundantly clear, and actually reiterated it in the same paragraph, so I think I went way out of my way to explain it sufficiently. If you want to believe I meant something else, or you want to mock me for not using the proper terminology, or whatever, that's up to you. Either you understood what I said, or you're an idiot. Take your pick, I don't really care either way!
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What a maroon... when on a message board, when you quote ONE persons post, it is of course going to be a reply to that ONE person. Note, I made other posts on this thread ditzie that addressed other peoples points. so quit your whining.
Again with this stupidity? Their economy is driven by the sale of COMMODITIES. Ours is much more diverse. Thus, when we keep the price of commodities LOW, it hurts them more than it does us. They RELY on the sale of commodities to other countries to survive. Watch their market ditzie.... when oil and nat gas prices soar, they become more of an influence on the global scene.
They spent almost HALF their budget on their military in a vain attempt to keep up with the US spending. We didn't collapse because we had more diversity in our GDP. We had better support from manufacturing, service industries etc... We were not reliant upon oil and nat gas sales.
You are a fucking idiot if you think their military spending as a percent of GDP isn't what caused them to fall.
Yes, I agree with that point. What you fail to comprehend is that the above in no way supports your assertion that their military spending didn't cause their collapse.
While I do not disagree that Socialism is an inferior economic system than Capitalism, you again are trying to paint it as if that is the problem. France is largely based on Socialism, but they have a more diverse economy.
One other factor you are not considering in your comparison is the FACT that we are the reserve currency. We could continue to print money at will. They could not. Again, I think Capitalism is the best system, but you are greatly exaggerating the differences.
You ARE ignorant on this topic ditzie. The very fact that you can't see the problem they faced shows that. They had constrained revenues due to the artificially low price of oil and nat gas at a time they were trying to increase spending (especially on the military).
Dixie - In Memoriam
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LMAO... You are saying essentially the same thing that I am saying, only in a different way, and then claiming I am wrong. Then, you are going on to claim that I am an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. So, the way I see this conversation, you and I agree on the same thing, but since you have some sort of animosity toward me personally, you have to be a little fuckwitted asshole, and find disagreement for disagreement sake.
The other pinhead tried to claim it was the Soviet military budget which lead to their downfall, and that was the simple-minded and inaccurate assessment, but you don't want to acknowledge that. You agree with me, that it wasn't their military budget, it was not being able to afford their military budget, but then you revert back and pretend that isn't the case! Do you agree with the other fucktard or not? Was it the Soviet's military budget which lead to their downfall, therefore, we should cut our military budget to avoid the same fate? Or do you agree with me (and yourself) that it was the economic system which couldn't support their exorbitant military budget at that time? Oh, I know, it's really hard to force yourself to admit you agree with me, but since you've already made the same exact point, I don't think you can avoid that! Unless you just want to be an anal retentive ass!
Sure; why listen to what economic & foreign policy professionals had to say on both the Soviet & American sides regarding that matter when you can shoot from the hip with your own theory that has no basis in reality?
And again - I hate to argue with your contention that Ronald Reagan had zero to do with the collapse of the Soviets & the end of the cold war....
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Well, economic and foreign policy experts do not say that the Soviet military budget was the cause of their downfall. It's kind of a stupid argument, since we were spending just as much, if not more, on our own military budget, and it didn't cause our downfall! The reality is, it was their inability to support their spending, and that was a direct result of their socialist system as opposed to our capitalist system.
I never said Reagan didn't have anything to do with it, I didn't even mention Reagan! He most certainly didn't curtail military spending when Libtards were clamoring for him to do that! He continued to spend on the military, and forced the Soviets to try and keep up, and they couldn't! 'Nuff said!
Why do you continue to make this insanely stupid point?
Hey, if I spent as much as Donald Trump on limo rides, I'd go bankrupt! But Trump wouldn't, so that would show that my bankruptcy had nothing to do with limo rides!
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No ditzie... we are not saying the same thing.
You are saying their military spending didn't lead to their downfall. I am saying that is 100% incorrect. Their military spending absolutely led to their downfall.
I know this is hard for you, but my statement above does not agree with you.
Now you are trying to play semantics in a desperate attempt to change your position now that you know you are wrong. The bolded portion above is nothing short of idiocy.
Yes, I agree that their military budget lead to their downfall. Yes, we should cut our military spending to balance our budget.
Again... the one difference between the Soviets and the US is that the US is the reserve currency. As long as the rest of the world allows us to continue printing fiat money, then we can 'get away' with our insane spending.
That said, the answer is NO if you are asking if our military budget alone will break us. It will not. It is about 4-6% of our GDP and about 50% of discretionary spending. It is nowhere near the 50% of the ENTIRE budget the Soviets were dealing with.
Again you are playing semantics. Bottom line is this. Their military spending destroyed them. Could their economic system have worked had they not tried to keep pace with the USA? It could have, though they would have lost that which they wanted the most and that is power over Europe and the middle east.
Ditzie, again, I do not agree with your assertion that the military spending of the Soviets was not their downfall. It was. No matter how hard you try to spin it. That is the point I disagreed with you on.
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The Almighty
We are not spending what they spent ditzie. Not even close. At their peak spending they were at approximately 15-17% of GDP. We spend about 4-6%. The last time we were in double digits was the late 50's.
So you agree that the military spending spree broke the USSR?
Clearly, because the Donald was spending just as much.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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No, it would show, buying limo rides doesn't cause bankruptcy!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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And you are incorrect. It was NOT their military spending, it was the inability to PAY FOR their military spending! No semantics, no parsing words, that's just the fact of the matter! Spending on the military didn't cause their downfall! Spending what they couldn't afford (doesn't matter that it was on the military) is what caused their downfall!
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The Almighty
You truly are a fucking idiot.
Ah, of course! It comes down to what the definition of "is" is...
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he must be a closet Clinton lover....
Dixie - In Memoriam
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It won't happen!
Do you mean onesies? If you don't what is are onzies?and you must be a onzies lover!
There are a lot of people who agree with this, I have been saying it FOREVER! Even during the Bush years when it was VERY unpopular. Republicans LOVE the military and that is why it is hard to get cuts!