Sen Lindsey Graham commits to introducing legislation to severely punish Russia for

The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine

No, it has not.

Presidential and parliamentary elections were held in Ukraine following the 2014 revolution. They were internationally monitored and judged to be largely fair.

Journalists have been instructed not to use the term “Neo-Nazi” to designate Svoboda and the Right Sector.

The right / far right parties Svoboda and Right Sector between them obtained 7 parliamentary seats out of 450. They had no representation in the government. I can't speak for what journalists were "instructed" to call them, lol.
 
Since there’s nothing in Mullet’s mandate that would prevent him from looking at Hillary/DNC and the Russians, one has to entertain the possibility he’s looking at it.

However it’s a remote possibility lol.
not with a bunch of rabid partisans and pit bulls like Andrew Weisman on the probe.
It's a witch hunt, always has been a witch hunt as the judge ( TS Ellis) said about the Manafort investigation

"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort's bank fraud," Ellis told the special counsel in May.
Trump is "what you're really interested in."
 
No, it has not.

Presidential and parliamentary elections were held in Ukraine following the 2014 revolution. They were internationally monitored and judged to be largely fair.



The right / far right parties Svoboda and Right Sector between them obtained 7 parliamentary seats out of 450. They had no representation in the government. I can't speak for what journalists were "instructed" to call them, lol.
It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
The reality is that, after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.

No Russian government could have acquiesced in such a threat from territory that was at the heart of both Russia and the Soviet Union. Putin's absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by Nato or the EU.

"America is with you," Senator John McCain told demonstrators then, standing shoulder to shoulder with the leader of the far-right Svoboda party as the US ambassador haggled with the state department over who would make up the new Ukrainian government.

When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.
 
if they really cared they'd be talking about Chinese hacking-much more extensive- as well -they don't

What is the evidence that Chinese hackers attempted to interfere in the 2016 election? Is it, for example, more than ZERO?
 
When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover ...

It's called a revolution, anatta. The American colonies had one, remember?

The presidential and parliamentary elections that followed - in May and October 2014 - were judged legitimate by monitors from more than 20 countries. The "neo-nazis" obtained seven seats out of 450 and had no part in the government.

Don't believe everything globalresearch tells you. They hate the west, especially the US.
 
then again it's none of our business how Russian elections are run.

I understand the rightwing has an enduring hostility to democracy and human rights.

We have no right to interfere and directly meddle in Russian elections. That is true.

We do have the right - no, we have the obligation - to advocate for all humans on behalf of the basic human right to genuine representative government, and free and fair elections. And that includes Russia, and within our own country.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights
December 1948

Article 21, Section (3)
The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
 
How many times do we have to sanction Russia over their alleged hacking and troll meddling?

I’m pretty sure Putin has gotten the idea by now lol. And why didn’t Obama sanction Russia when he knew what was going on. Why is it up to Trump to do everything?

Here’s why: the Left doesn’t really care about Russia and amusingly, they actually think that’s a secret. What they care about is using Russian meddling to delegitimize the election of 2016. Lindsey Graham is a more sincere Russia phobe because he would have happily sanctioned Putin 3 years ago when the lefties thought concern over Russia was joke. We are supposed to forget they mocked Romney over Russia.

So for the time being at least, we have this weird alliance between the two.

Note that section b) in the OP is particularly facile: it suggests that the Russians affected the outcome of the election. Any reader of that was not-knowing of certain facts would be led to believe the bastard Russians all but elected Donald Trump.

And this subtle deception is purposeful when done by the media. How else does one explain the fact that so many Democrats believe the Russians stole the election for Trump?

Commie pinko and that other Russo bot thanked you.
Much Russia you two cuck fucks
 
"RINO is the term for a Republican who puts country above party." rjhenn

As the offenses accumulate, the penalties multiply.

BUT !!

Perhaps you agree with me that U.S. officials make themselves look impotent playing the victim role here.

Instead of:

- Ohh Vlady Poot !! Stop doing that !! -

They should clean up their act, and lock the Russians and the Chinese out!

However, the Facebook issue is a somewhat different matter.

I believe he did.
And I believe they were severe, on par with the offense they punished, the annexation of Crimea.

BUT !!

It seems Putin is $skimming, and may be one of the $richest men in the world. The harm the Obama sanctions caused is suffered by lower ranking Russians; not Putin, not the oligarchs that keep Putin in power.

You're explaining the reason for a falsehood. Obama sanctioned Russia for both Crimea, and Ukraine.

That's news to me, though you're welcome to quote such mockery, with attribute.

iirc Candidate Romney said Russia was a threat. But the warning was vague, and Crimea hadn't yet been annexed, and Russia's involvement in Syria hadn't yet rubbed the U.S. raw.

Don't expect the lying maggot to reply.
 
yep. Putin is a convenient foil for asshats like Warner and Blumenthal.
I guess if you say RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA! enough, you can delude yourself that was why Hillary lost.

* if they really cared they'd be talking about Chinese hacking-much more extensive- as well -they don't*

Chinese hacked our election?
 
It's called a revolution, anatta. The American colonies had one, remember?

The presidential and parliamentary elections that followed - in May and October 2014 - were judged legitimate by monitors from more than 20 countries. The "neo-nazis" obtained seven seats out of 450 and had no part in the government.

Don't believe everything globalresearch tells you. They hate the west, especially the US.
it was a revolution we manipulated.
Why do you think John McCain and Vicky Nuland were in Independence Square Kyiv?
To make sure the maidan became a full scale revolution. That last reference was from The Guardian.

We could not stand the thought of Ukraine in the Russian orbit -and forced the hand of the EU.
It's why Vicky Nuland said "fuck the EU" we don't give a shit about the welfare of the Ukraine-
just our power plays against Russia. The same thing we did with NATO expansion post German reunification.


Russian bailout wins Ukraine economic respite but deepens political rift
Yanukovich reignited demands for his resignation by opponents at home already enraged by his decision to walk away from a trade and political deal with the European Union.

Tens of thousands of protesters gathered in Kiev after Yanukovich accepted Putin’s offer on Tuesday to buy Ukrainian bonds and cut the price of Russian gas exports, a deal which keeps Kiev firmly in Moscow’s orbit.

Ukraine urgently needs money to cover an external funding gap of $17 billion next year - almost the level of the central bank’s depleted currency reserves - and avoid defaulting on its debts.

Putin and Yanukovich rubbed shoulders and laughed while documents were signed on reducing trade barriers for Ukraine.

Moscow also offered relief on Kiev’s gas bill. Russia’s Gazprom has slashed the price Ukraine will pay for supplies to $268.5 per 1,000 cubic metres from about $400.

However, the United States warned Kiev the deal would not satisfy the protesters and German Chancellor Angela Merkel said ties with Russia should not prevent Kiev from looking West.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-u...-deepens-political-rift-idUKBRE9BG09Q20131217
 
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What is the evidence that Chinese hackers attempted to interfere in the 2016 election? Is it, for example, more than ZERO?
I didn't say the election, I said "Chinese hacking is much more extensive" -and they have compromised our OMB records.
Their espionage is extensive, from university students to Silicon Valley, to Sony, and they regularly steal our military secrets.
Compare that to the Internet Research Agency ( Russia) - it's not even close.
China uses a "1 state" attack on the USA
 
I understand the rightwing has an enduring hostility to democracy and human rights.

We have no right to interfere and directly meddle in Russian elections. That is true.

We do have the right - no, we have the obligation - to advocate for all humans on behalf of the basic human right to genuine representative government, and free and fair elections. And that includes Russia, and within our own country.
towards what ends? Jimmy Carters emphasis on human rights was a failure because it violate the core tenant of what a foreign policy should be -realpolitik.

Trump has taken it a step further with his emphasis on a transactional foreign policy-
but even that is based on mutual dealing,and not boycotts or moral outrage
 
U.S. Cozies Up to Kiev Government Including Far Right

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Sen. John McCain waves to pro-European protesters during a mass rally at Independence Square in Kiev in December. Oleh Tyahnybok is seen to his right.

When Sen. John McCain traveled to Kiev in December, he told the crowd of 200,000 on Independence Square: "The free world is with you, America is with you, I am with you."

But among those stood next to the veteran Republican was Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of the Svoboda Party. Some policy analysts have called Svoboda ultra-nationalist and even neo-Nazi.

voboda, which means "Freedom," was given almost a quarter of the Cabinet positions in the interim government formed after the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych in February.

The party's policies center around protecting the rights of what it calls “ethnic Ukrainians,” the preservation of the Ukrainian language and culture, and strict controls on immigration.

Although much of the more extreme content has now been removed from Svoboda’s leaflets, the European Parliament passed a resolution on Ukraine in 2012 that asked Kiev not to associate with the party on account of its “racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views.”

One of the party's lawmakers was appointed to run the powerful defense ministry before being forced out. However, Svoboda still holds one of the vice prime minister posts as well as the ministries of agriculture and the environment. According to Foreign Policy magazine, this represents the largest far-right representation in any government in Europe.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/u...es-kiev-government-including-far-right-n66061
 
towards what ends? Jimmy Carters emphasis on human rights was a failure because it violate the core tenant of what a foreign policy should be -realpolitik.

Trump has taken it a step further with his emphasis on a transactional foreign policy-
but even that is based on mutual dealing,and not boycotts or moral outrage

I do not expect you to understand the liberal tradition of defending democracy and human rights. I mean, you voted for Trump.

Russia's liberal democratic opposition to Vladimir Putin

Boris Yefimovich Nemtsov was a Russian physicist and liberal politician. Nemtsov was one of the most important figures in the introduction of capitalism into the Russian post-Soviet economy He had a successful political career in the 1990s under President Boris Yeltsin. From 2000 until his death, he was an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin.

Nemtsov was assassinated on 27 February 2015 on a bridge near the Kremlin in Moscow, with four shots fired from the back.

Nemtsov's conflict with Putin's government, based on Nemtsov's criticism of what he perceived as an increasingly authoritarian, undemocratic regime, came to be centered on the widespread embezzlement and profiteering ahead of the Sochi Olympics, as well as on Russian political interference and military involvement in Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov
 
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