APP - senate votes 60 to 39 for cloture on health care debate

well mott.....looks like it hasn't been debunked at all....in fact from damo's link she admits she recieved the 300 million....

have anything mott?
 
Watermark said:
Bipartisanship is not possible in the current enviornment. The Democrats want universal healthcare and the Republicans want to abolish all regulations on insurance companies. There's no common ground there, and any bill that attempted to would be ridiculous.
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not true.

do you post anything serious anymore? people claim you're just trolling and really acting like a far right winger, just the opposite, but this is pretty much all you post....stuff that simply isn't true and outrageous claims about death and deportation...

why?
 
Overlord said:
democrats get universal healthcare for themselves only, and they are the only ones that get taxed the necessary amount to support it.

:good4u:
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People would attempt to game the system by switching party affiliation at appropriate times.

We all provide a right to healthcare or none of us provide it. You're solution only makes sense to a libertarian who doesn't understand (or refuses to understand) the concept of collective resposnibilty.
 
Watermark said:
People would attempt to game the system by switching party affiliation at appropriate times.

We all provide a right to healthcare or none of us provide it. You're solution only makes sense to a libertarian who doesn't understand (or refuses to understand) the concept of collective resposnibilty.
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Gee hmm lemme think.

Okay. I vote none.
 
You have no right not to provide universal healthcare. Just because the state is currently being irresponsible in its duty to require you to provide universal healthcare doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The state is currently violating our rights, and we are going to fix that.
 
Watermark said:
You have no right not to provide universal healthcare. Just because the state is currently being irresponsible in its duty to require you to provide universal healthcare doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The state is currently violating our rights, and we are going to fix that.
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lol....you don't have a right to NOT do something....lmao

tell me, where does this right to universal care come from? what part of the constitution?
 
Watermark said:
Human decency.
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so you can't actually point out the constitutional right....thanks for at least admitting that....

you might want to call it an inherent right or a fundamental right....and compare it to education, voting, travel....etc....human decency is wishy washy....

if we have a fundamental right to education, travel, voting....how is it we don't have a fundamental right to health care....

seems like an interesting question to me
 
Watermark said:
You have no right not to provide universal healthcare. Just because the state is currently being irresponsible in its duty to require you to provide universal healthcare doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The state is currently violating our rights, and we are going to fix that.
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I need you to point out where the constitution says I must provide you with healthcare.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's a myth dude. It's all ready been debunked.
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Debunked because even while trumpeting her success in gaining $300 MILLION in additional federal funds for LA, she SAYS it had nothing to do with her vote.

And, of course, you believe it because .... umm why exactly is it you believe her? Because she is a democrat? Or because she voted the way you wanted her to vote?

But, while you have your dumb cap on, wanna buy some LA swamp land? Going cheap. I'll even get them to subsidize your purchase with some of that $300 million.
 
The conservative/libertarian plan for healthcare eventually devolves into voluntary giving, IE charity. As the first socialist/liberal, Thomas Paine, put so eloquently:

"There are, in every country, some magnificent charities established by individuals. It is, however, but little that any individual can do, when the whole extent of the misery to be relieved is considered. He may satisfy his conscience, but not his heart. He may give all that he has, and that all will relieve but little. It is only by organizing civilization upon such principles as to act like a system of pulleys, that the whole weight of misery can be removed."

- Thomas Paine
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Libertarian/conservative ideology has a very beautiful model constructed around it. The only problem with this model is that it has practically no applications in real life. That doesn't prevent them from believing that they have a moral right to have this model universally put into practice, to the detriment of everyone.
 
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Watermark said:
The conservative/libertarian plan for healthcare eventually devolves into voluntary giving, IE charity. As the first socialist/liberal, Thomas Paine, put so eloquently:

Libertarian/conservative/neo-fascist ideology has a very beautiful model constructed around it. The only problem with this model is that it has practically no applications in real life. That doesn't prevent them from believing that they have a moral right to have this model universally put into practice, to the detriment of everyone.
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Fascism is a law you must buy insurance. It doesn't get more fascist than that.
 
Good Luck said:
Debunked because even while trumpeting her success in gaining $300 MILLION in additional federal funds for LA, she SAYS it had nothing to do with her vote.

And, of course, you believe it because .... umm why exactly is it you believe her? Because she is a democrat? Or because she voted the way you wanted her to vote?

But, while you have your dumb cap on, wanna buy some LA swamp land? Going cheap. I'll even get them to subsidize your purchase with some of that $300 million.
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No, because I went to the pages in the Bill that were referenced and guess what? Absolutely nothing was mentioned about Landrieu, Louisianna, any money, Katrina or rebuilding New Orleans what so ever. It was on a totally unrelated matter. Someone just flat out lied about it.
 
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