Jake Starkey
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We are all aware you often have trouble making sense.
This is one of your top three.
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We are all aware you often have trouble making sense.
This is one of your top three.
Jake Starkey
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1.
- Royal necropolis of the Kingdom of Kush.
- Over 200 pyramids, steep‑sided and distinct from Egyptian forms.
- Built c. 800 BCE–350 CE.
- UNESCO World Heritage Site.
2.
- Massive stone city built 11th–15th century.
- Features the Great Enclosure, the largest ancient stone structure in sub‑Saharan Africa.
- Dry‑stone walls up to 36 feet high and hundreds of feet long.
3.
- Entire churches carved downward from solid bedrock in the 12th–13th centuries.
- Includes the famous Bete Giyorgis (St. George), carved in a perfect cross shape.
- Still an active pilgrimage site.
4.
- Home to the Great Mosque of Djenné, the world’s largest mud‑brick structure.
- Built in its current form in 1907 but on foundations dating back to the 13th century.
- Entire city built with Sudano‑Sahelian monumental mud architecture.
5.
- Capital of the Phoenician/Punic empire in North Africa.
- Featured massive harbors, temples, and fortifications.
- Later rebuilt by Rome; archaeological remains span 1st millennium BCE onward.
6.
- Monumental prehistoric engravings and paintings across the central Sahara.
- Sites like Tassili n’Ajjer contain thousands of large-scale artworks dating back 10,000+ years.
7.
Africa’s most famous ancient monuments include:- Pyramids of Giza (Great Pyramid was the tallest human-made structure for ~4,000 years).
- Valley of the Kings (massive royal necropolis).
- Karnak & Luxor temples (among the largest religious complexes ever built).
8.
- Temples, palaces, and pyramids of Napata and Meroë.
- Distinctive architectural styles integrating religious symbolism and royal authority.
I can map these sites by:- North Africa
- West Africa
- East Africa
- Central Africa
- Southern Africa
Jake Starkey
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Teflon Don
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Teflon Don
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I see nothing of greatness. Keep proving my point. Maybe the pyramids but they were built by slaves so........
- Royal necropolis of the Kingdom of Kush.
- Over 200 pyramids, steep‑sided and distinct from Egyptian forms.
- Built c. 800 BCE–350 CE.
- UNESCO World Heritage Site.
- Massive stone city built 11th–15th century.
- Features the Great Enclosure, the largest ancient stone structure in sub‑Saharan Africa.
- Dry‑stone walls up to 36 feet high and hundreds of feet long.
- Entire churches carved downward from solid bedrock in the 12th–13th centuries.
- Includes the famous Bete Giyorgis (St. George), carved in a perfect cross shape.
- Still an active pilgrimage site.
- Home to the Great Mosque of Djenné, the world’s largest mud‑brick structure.
- Built in its current form in 1907 but on foundations dating back to the 13th century.
- Entire city built with Sudano‑Sahelian monumental mud architecture.
- Capital of the Phoenician/Punic empire in North Africa.
- Featured massive harbors, temples, and fortifications.
- Later rebuilt by Rome; archaeological remains span 1st millennium BCE onward.
- Monumental prehistoric engravings and paintings across the central Sahara.
- Sites like Tassili n’Ajjer contain thousands of large-scale artworks dating back 10,000+ years.
Africa’s most famous ancient monuments include:
- Pyramids of Giza (Great Pyramid was the tallest human-made structure for ~4,000 years).
- Valley of the Kings (massive royal necropolis).
- Karnak & Luxor temples (among the largest religious complexes ever built).
- Temples, palaces, and pyramids of Napata and Meroë.
- Distinctive architectural styles integrating religious symbolism and royal authority.
I can map these sites by:
- North Africa
- West Africa
- East Africa
- Central Africa
- Southern Africa
You do know that Africans used slave labor right?
The African continent has vastly different building materials and they used paper early on. The building materials they used rotted over the thousands of years, and the paper is no longer, much of their history is lost.
Additionally the lush and warm climate did not lend toward making or developing structures such as the Europeans build.
During the late 1800's and early 1900's Europeans destroyed much of their culture and technology.
I will point you to, however the pyramids of Egypt.
The Southern States (and to some extent the northern cousins) were dependent on the labor required to run farms in the South. Without that labor the South would never have been developed because there was no money to be made without "free" labor.
When we talk about America being built by people of African descent we are talking about how they were the backbone of the economy, without their work ethic and physical superiority to the Northern European's this nation's history would be very different.
When we talk about America being built by people of African descent we are talking about how they were the backbone of the economy, without their work ethic and physical superiority to the Northern European's this nation's history would be very different.
Really? Egypt is in Africa and they're pretty well known for their ancient structures. And then there's this:
Top 20 Architectural Heritage Sites in Africa: A Journey Through History and Design - Africans Column
Africa’s architectural heritage is a testament to the continent’s rich cultural, historical, and artistic traditions. From ancient civilizations to colonial periods and indigenous styles, the architectural marvels of Africa span millennia, reflecting diverse influences and innovations. Some of...africanscolumn.com
This supports depictions in ancient Egyptian art, where they portrayed themselves with olive to reddish-brown skin tones (darker for men, lighter for women), distinct from the darker-skinned Nubians to their south, whom they often showed as conquered peoples or tributaries.
While Egypt is geographically in Africa and had cultural exchanges with Nubia (a transitional region along the Nile in modern Sudan), ancient Egyptians were not "black" in the sub-Saharan sense; claims to the contrary often conflate the later 25th Dynasty (circa 750-650 BCE), when Nubian (Kushite) rulers from the south briefly controlled Egypt and were indeed darker-skinned sub-Saharan Africans.
Regarding architectural achievements, ancient Egypt and contemporaneous sub-Saharan Africa (south of the Sahara Desert) diverged significantly in scale, materials, organization, and purpose during the key period of pyramid construction (Old Kingdom, circa 2686-2181 BCE). Ancient Egyptians, benefiting from a centralized state, abundant Nile resources, and access to quarried stone, pioneered monumental stone architecture on an unprecedented level. This included the Great Pyramids at Giza—massive structures covering up to 13 acres, built with over 2 million limestone blocks each, engineered as royal tombs with precise alignments, internal chambers, and external causeways.
They also constructed vast temple complexes like Karnak, with hypostyle halls supported by massive columns, obelisks, and sphinx-lined avenues, all symbolizing divine kingship and eternity. These feats required advanced engineering, mathematics, and labor organization, drawing on influences from earlier Mesopotamian ziggurats but adapted with superior stone durability.
In contrast, sub-Saharan African societies during 3000-1000 BCE were more decentralized, often pastoral or agropastoral, and focused on functional, adaptive structures using local materials like dry stone, mudbrick, thatch, and wood.
In Nubia (often a cultural bridge but geographically sub-Saharan in parts of Sudan), mudbrick towns like Kerma (circa 2400 BCE) included walled enclosures, palaces, and the massive Deffufa temple, showing Egyptian influence but on a smaller scale.
Overall, sub-Saharan architecture emphasized communal, fractal designs (e.g., circular villages mirroring house layouts) lacking the Egyptians' grand, symbolic scale.
Sub-Saharan Africa's more impressive stone architecture emerged later, such as the smaller Nubian pyramids at Meroë (starting circa 800 BCE, influenced by Egypt) or the medieval dry-stone walls of Great Zimbabwe (11th-15th centuries CE).
The pyramids specifically reflect ancient Egyptian innovation, not a broader "black African" achievement in the sub-Saharan context.
@Grok
How piss poor is this ^, ask for proof and this one ^ girls to three book titles off of Amazon, and guarantee he doesn’t know the difference
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Poor Anchovies.
Guess then Trump is the looser most recognize him as:
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How piss poor is this ^, ask for proof and this one ^ girls to three book titles off of Amazon, and guarantee he doesn’t know the difference
Guess then Trump is the looser most recognize him as:
Lucky Loser by Russ Buettner, Susanne Craig: 9780593298664 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books
An Instant New York Times Bestseller • A Washington Post Notable Book • A Financial Times Best Business Book of the Year “A first-rate financial thriller . . . Lucky Loser is one of those...
Poor Anchovies.
And they are all correct, just as Italians, Germans, Irish, Wasps, etc., built this country, none of which implied only Blacks did such
Are you saying that nobody said it, Anchovies?
IOW you (pl.) are taking into account the skin color of the builders.The claim overlooks key distinctions in both ethnicity and historical context. Ancient Egyptians were an indigenous North African population with genetic affinities closer to Near Eastern and Levantine groups than to sub-Saharan Africans, based on genome analysis of mummies from the New Kingdom to Roman periods (roughly 1400 BCE to 400 CE). These ancient samples showed only 6-15% sub-Saharan African ancestry—lower than the 14-21% observed in modern Egyptians, with the increase in sub-Saharan admixture occurring primarily after the Roman era, likely due to later migrations or trade.
This supports depictions in ancient Egyptian art, where they portrayed themselves with olive to reddish-brown skin tones (darker for men, lighter for women), distinct from the darker-skinned Nubians to their south, whom they often showed as conquered peoples or tributaries.
While Egypt is geographically in Africa and had cultural exchanges with Nubia (a transitional region along the Nile in modern Sudan), ancient Egyptians were not "black" in the sub-Saharan sense; claims to the contrary often conflate the later 25th Dynasty (circa 750-650 BCE), when Nubian (Kushite) rulers from the south briefly controlled Egypt and were indeed darker-skinned sub-Saharan Africans.
Regarding architectural achievements, ancient Egypt and contemporaneous sub-Saharan Africa (south of the Sahara Desert) diverged significantly in scale, materials, organization, and purpose during the key period of pyramid construction (Old Kingdom, circa 2686-2181 BCE). Ancient Egyptians, benefiting from a centralized state, abundant Nile resources, and access to quarried stone, pioneered monumental stone architecture on an unprecedented level. This included the Great Pyramids at Giza—massive structures covering up to 13 acres, built with over 2 million limestone blocks each, engineered as royal tombs with precise alignments, internal chambers, and external causeways.
They also constructed vast temple complexes like Karnak, with hypostyle halls supported by massive columns, obelisks, and sphinx-lined avenues, all symbolizing divine kingship and eternity. These feats required advanced engineering, mathematics, and labor organization, drawing on influences from earlier Mesopotamian ziggurats but adapted with superior stone durability.
In contrast, sub-Saharan African societies during 3000-1000 BCE were more decentralized, often pastoral or agropastoral, and focused on functional, adaptive structures using local materials like dry stone, mudbrick, thatch, and wood.
In Nubia (often a cultural bridge but geographically sub-Saharan in parts of Sudan), mudbrick towns like Kerma (circa 2400 BCE) included walled enclosures, palaces, and the massive Deffufa temple, showing Egyptian influence but on a smaller scale.
Overall, sub-Saharan architecture emphasized communal, fractal designs (e.g., circular villages mirroring house layouts) lacking the Egyptians' grand, symbolic scale.
Sub-Saharan Africa's more impressive stone architecture emerged later, such as the smaller Nubian pyramids at Meroë (starting circa 800 BCE, influenced by Egypt) or the medieval dry-stone walls of Great Zimbabwe (11th-15th centuries CE).
The pyramids specifically reflect ancient Egyptian innovation, not a broader "black African" achievement in the sub-Saharan context.
@Grok
That's your argument?
Looks like grok's argument. I don't think skin color has anything to do with building skills.
Y O U tried to lump Egyptians in with sub-Saharans.
Y O U attempted cultural appropriation of Egyptian heritage on behalf of sub-Saharans.
Sorry about your reading error. The OP wrote "surely Africa is as ancient. Where is the technological marvels from that time in Africa?"
There was no differentiation according to location.
The thread was about Africans, Egyptians are Africans.Sorry about your reading error. The OP wrote "surely Africa is as ancient. Where is the technological marvels from that time in Africa?"
There was no differentiation according to location.
Exactly. Nothing about where the Africans lived, just the continent as a whole.