Settling the Biological Virus Debate

Guille said:
No.
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Brush your teeth or get the fuck out of there!

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AProudLefty said:
Phoenyx said:
I haven't seen any evidence that "not many" regular people believed that, but perhaps we can agree that it's not the most important matter and certainly isn't the main subject of this thread.

That doesn't change the fact that thinking that slavery was ok was a logical failing of many people not so long ago. Since then, most people have come to see the truth.

Various people have claimed that they exist over the years. But simply claiming that something is true doesn't make it so.

Some articles you may find interesting:
Even the “Smallpox Vaccine Success Story” appears to be a total fabrication! | stateofthenation.co

Polio Vaccine Causing Polio Outbreaks in Africa, WHO Admits | Children's Health Defense
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I am going to ask you this question: if it isn't the viruses that cause those diseases with symptoms, then what are the sources?
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I don't know. That being said, as Sherlock Holmes said: "When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." I took a brief look online to find an article that summarizes what I believe are the main causes of disease:

10 Primary Causes of Disease and Dysfunction | drbenkim.com

While the title of his article says there are 10 primary causes of disease, there are actually just 3 main categories, other than the process of aging itself:
Injury, Toxicity and Deficiency.

I believe that any disease would be as a result of one or more of those 3 conditions.

AProudLefty said:
And how were those diseases spread not just locally but national wide and globally?

This is your opportunity to use science to present your evidence of those diseases being caused by internal and/or external factors other than pathogens.
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Not knowing the specifics as to what causes a disease and how it's spread doesn't mean that biological viruses must therefore be the cause.
 
Guille said:
How was a disease spread globally in 1918?
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I'm pretty sure you're referring to the Spanish flu. Conventional wisdom is that it was caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

There is, however, an alternative theory that I believe accounts for much if not all of this pandemic, as well as flu pandemics both before and after it- the rise of human produced electromagnetic discharges, whether from electricity or radio waves. The 1918 pandemic followed the rise of the use radio closely. I first learned of this theory from a book called The Invisible Rainbow. There are articles on this, one of which is here, which adds another twist, namely that vaccines played a part in its deadliness:

The 1918 “Spanish Flu”: Only The Vaccinated Died | birthofanewearthblog.com
 
Phoenyx said:
You already agreed that various diseases are caused by something other than a virus. That doesn't prove that all diseases aren't caused by a virus.
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Oh, look. You built a strawman. Smallpox is NOT all diseases. Did you enjoy beating the stuffing out of that straw man you built?
Now if you are able and want to prove you are a thinking human being and not a troll, you can provide evidence that a disease believed to be caused by a virus is actually caused by something else.


That doesn't mean that diseases alleged to be caused by a biological virus are actually caused by a biological virus.
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If you want to prove they aren't caused by a virus then you need to give evidence of another cause. Right now in the real world the majority of the evidence points to viruses existing and causing disease. You are making an extraordinary claim while providing zero evidence. You are simply doing the dance that every conspiracy nut does. You refuse to provide evidence in support of your claim, discount any evidence that disputes your claim and then demand that others provide a higher standard of evidence than you are willing to apply to yourself.



At the risk of devating somewhat from the point of this thread, I think it'd be good to try to establish some type of agreement as to what the 2 words that make up "conspiracy theory" mean. I think we could perhaps agree on the law definition of conspiracy for our purposes here. I think the Wikitionary definition serves our purposes here:
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The act of two or more persons, called conspirators, working secretly to obtain some goal, usually understood with negative connotations.
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Look. The equivocation fallacy again. you seem to rely on that one a lot too.
Source:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conspiracy

As to theory, there are numerous definitions as can be seen below:
https://www.wordnik.com/words/theory

As you can see, there are definitions for theory that run the gamut from definitions such as "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena", all the way to assumptions and conjecture.

I came up with a definition a while back that I think takes these various definitions into account:
A theory is an educated guess, as far as one's education on the subject goes. Thus, their are good theories and bad ones. It all depends on the evidence they have in their favour.

When we put the words conspiracy and theory together, we get to the point where we should be able to see that there can be both well evidenced conspiracy theories, as well as poorly evidence conspiracy theories. I personally tend to shy away from ones that have little if any evidence. Now, hopefully we can get back to the -actual- point of this thread, which is discussion in the evidence, or lack thereof, of biological viruses.
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ROFLMAO,. So you decide that it is an original argument to simply make up your own definitions of phrases based on parsing the words so you can avoid the actual meaning. You are acting as a troll at this point. You have no argument to make but only avoidance as long as you can.
 
Phoenyx said:
I think the truth is rather that it can't be done because biological viruses don't exist.
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The problem is you don't think.
I think that's a poor analogy.
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Explain why you think that. Once again, we see you present no actual argument that is supported by facts or logic. Demanding that a process be used that is not possible to be used is what you are proposing for determining if viruses exist. Why is my analogy poor since it uses the exact same idiotic premise you are requiring? Explain your thinking.

Ah, here come the ad hominems. Well, you had a good run.
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Evidence of the covid virus being isolated and sequenced.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC703e6342/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X20304274
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7366528/
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10096-020-03899-4

Evidence of other viruses being isolated and sequenced.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10096-020-03899-4
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/professionals/genetic-characterization.htm
https://asm.org/Articles/2020/October/SARS-CoV-2-Sequencing-Data-The-Devil-Is-in-the-Gen
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2019.0572
https://www.thermofisher.com/blog/b...ng-the-monkeypox-genome-with-ion-torrent-ngs/

Directions of how to isolate a virus and sequence it's RNA
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682219300728
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro.2016.182
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3709572/
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-017-0741-5
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0027805
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mBio.01360-14
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3502977/

Calling you a conspiracy nut is hardly an ad hominem. Your failure to provide any valid arguments for your positions show you to be a conspiracy nut or a troll.
There are several databases worldwide that have the sequences of viruses. Anyone can look them up and run their own tests using the methods and compare to them. The fact that Dr Bailey has never done this speaks volumes to her lack of expertise on the subject.
 
Medical science KNOWS that viruses exist. They work with them. This crazy debate caught fire in the far-right Trumpian sphere. In real medical sites, it is scoffed at and laughed at.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Either she is no longer licensed to practice medicine or she lied to the court in New Zealand.
https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/2021-NZHC-3168.pdf
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Thanks. So she is no longer licensed to practice. I'm definitely curious to know why. In any case, this in no way takes away from her knowledge. I'd argue that she's gone the extra mile and learned a great deal more than most doctors when it comes to viruses. She's one of the authors of the most recent edition of the Virus Mania book that I bought. I highly recommend it. It's here for anyone who's interested:

Virus Mania: Corona/COVID-19, Measles, Swine Flu, Cervical Cancer, Avian Flu, SARS, BSE, Hepatitis C, AIDS, Polio, Spanish Flu. How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits At Our Expense | Amazon.com
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Phoenyx said:
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It actually should be easy to prove, you only need to show actual evidence that diseases are caused by something other than a virus.
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You already agreed that various diseases are caused by something other than a virus. That doesn't prove that all diseases aren't caused by a virus.
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Oh, look. You built a strawman. Smallpox is NOT all diseases.
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I never said it was.

Poor Richard Saunders said:
Did you enjoy beating the stuffing out of that straw man you built?
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I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I was suggesting that smallpox was all diseases, but that's certainly not what I meant to convey.

Poor Richard Saunders said:
Now if you are able and want to prove you are a thinking human being and not a troll
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Oh boy, more insults -.-
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Phoenyx said:
Poor Richard Saunders said:
And they presented a way that is impossible to occur because they asked for things that can't be done with a virus.
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I think the truth is rather that it can't be done because biological viruses don't exist.
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The problem is you don't think.
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Nothing like engaging in an ad hominem attack at the beginning of a post to short circuit discussion. If that was your goal, well done. In any case, my believe here stands.
 
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