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lol... I actually thought about that episode as I was writing it...
SF struggles to help ex-homeless thrive off streets
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lol... I actually thought about that episode as I was writing it...
are you done pretending to be a libertarian now? what other social welfare programs would you like to install?
Who said anything about social welfare programs?
My point is about how to best help these people. They won't disappear because we stop helping them. The help does not have to be financed through government, but as long we are using it to bail out banks, build stadiums and all sorts of other goodies for the rich there is no real moral argument for refusing to help the poor.
Besides my primary point was more about trying to stop the young and healthy from adding to the homeless due to laziness, drug abuse and misguided ideas. Many of them don't have many choices left if they had any to begin with, but there are "urban campers" who actually think what they are doing is some sign of their virtues.
propose a solution then. I am all ears.
Steelplate
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The misconception about the homeless is that they are in the position they are in as a choice. A large majority of them are the mentally ill. A lesser percentage are the hopelessly addicted. A small percentage are those who fell on hard times and have no where to go.
You guys have no idea what I see on a daily basis. I work with the developmentally disabled(retarded for those with lesser tact and vocabulary). We are getting an influx of people off the street who not only have DD, but also have been abused, exploited and demeaned unmercifully for their entire lives.
They aren't that bad when it comes to day to day things like dressing themselves and toilteting themselves....but they have no trust in anyone, they exhibit astounding episodes of aggressive behavior....this new girl has taken four people out on injury in the past three months that she's been here.
Unless you've worked with these types of people....you have no idea. Our facility does not use restraints of any kind. We can't physically hold her(or the others) down(physical restraints), we can't tie them down(mechanical restraints), nor can we give them a shot to sedate them(chemical restraints).
So the day you think I have an "easy gobblement job"? Come spend a day or better yet....a month in my shoes.
You guys have no idea what I see on a daily basis. I work with the developmentally disabled(retarded for those with lesser tact and vocabulary). We are getting an influx of people off the street who not only have DD, but also have been abused, exploited and demeaned unmercifully for their entire lives.
They aren't that bad when it comes to day to day things like dressing themselves and toilteting themselves....but they have no trust in anyone, they exhibit astounding episodes of aggressive behavior....this new girl has taken four people out on injury in the past three months that she's been here.
Unless you've worked with these types of people....you have no idea. Our facility does not use restraints of any kind. We can't physically hold her(or the others) down(physical restraints), we can't tie them down(mechanical restraints), nor can we give them a shot to sedate them(chemical restraints).
So the day you think I have an "easy gobblement job"? Come spend a day or better yet....a month in my shoes.
I don't really have one. Telling people not to give them money won't help. Just giving them money does not really help either.
I think the best options lie in giving them tools to help themselves but some of them won't have the ability to take advantage of those tools and others just won't.
tekkychick
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Can I just say - you all need raises?
man, and I thought *MY* customers were tough when they asked a weirdo question!
[x] giving money is unhelpful
[x] not giving money is unhelpful
thanks for participating in this thread baxter, you are really getting to the bottom of this.
I am not interested in helping the homeless. I resent being told by others how complex an issue is as if it is an objective truth. it is not. They take their own concerns and then assume said concerns are universal. There are many simple solutions to the homeless problem, including letting them just die off.
what's a "tool" in this context? is it free?
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
I have to say it has long amazed me that the Midwest can have a homeless population given that the winters and summers are both unbearable. Even here in the temperate zone, Seattle winter's get down into the 20s, and there's so much cold damness throughout autumn and winter. But the Northwest would still be more ideal than 70% of the country.
/MSG/
Uwaa OmO
Please. You've never seen unbearable in either season. People survive far worse cold and heat. We're a amazingly hearty species.
Steelplate
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I don't need a raise. I make 20+ dollars an hour after 24 years of experience. I would just like for people to comprehend that not all of us are pencil pushers.
You're a tool. No, you are likely a great burden on others.
You are not participating. You are trolling because cawacko raised a topic that makes you uncomfortable for some reason.
They are not going to just die off, you moron. More people become homeless all the time and most of them are quite capable of surviving whether we help them or not. Others are going to help unless someone stops them, which would not be libertarian at all. But even if everyone agreed to stop helping, homeless people are not just going to become extinct as if they were a separate species.
Tool means a skill, in the context used. Nothing is free.
If there are many simple solutions then surely you can cite some examples of where they have been employed effectively, nitwit.
Anchorage has homeless, we also have people who freeze to death. There is a shelter, but you have to be sober to enter or appear sober. The homeless are most everywhere.