SF - The Interview

"6 effin years later and our ports are still unsecured."

They always will be. There just isn't any physical way we can protect them without curtailing our rights or clogging up our harbours with transports waiting inspection.
 
Often in order to secure liberty, we must give up on some security. I prefer the liberty and the constitutional protection for all those on US soil to any need for rejecting their requests for representation or even to know what they are being held for...

The whole story reeks.
 
hey, if you want to prove that America is the land of the free, you have to be willing to unjustifiably incarcerate and torture a few ragheads from time to time.
 
And if we are the beacon of democracy for the world we also have to cut off democratically elected governments that do not suit our political adgenda.
 
"hey, if you want to prove that America is the land of the free, you have to be willing to unjustifiably incarcerate and torture a few ragheads from time to time."

WTF???

Thanks for adding such an outstanding commentary. Where would we be without intelligent repsonses as this?
 
Superfreak said:
From the last paragraph of page nine of the New Yorker Article...

"John Radsan, the former C.I.A. lawyer, offered a reply of sorts. “As a society, we haven’t figured out what the rough rules are yet,” he said. “There are hardly any rules for illegal enemy combatants. It’s the law of the jungle. And right now we happen to be the strongest animal.” "

Ok... now from everything I have read, there is virtually no response from the US Government and they have had ample time to put out a response. In the case of Arar, we thus have no choice but to accept the fact that his story is true. I would have liked to have found something other than his own testimony to verify what the conditions were like and what methods were used, but I could not find any.

I suppose my skepticism comes from the fact that Al Queda trains its operatives to say they were tortured when captured... because they know it will send the human rights groups into a frenzy and make us look bad (which it should if it is really occuring).

From the New Yorker article, it appears as though the process has been loosened too much from the mid 90's. It used to be that they would only render those that had either US warrants out for their arrest or international warrants, including those convicted in absentia. Again, it appears from the limited information that Arar should not have been sent anywhere other than back to Canada. I don't have a problem with him being questioned by US authorities, but everything thereafter certainly seems wrong.

But there is no way I believe a company like Jeppesen should be held responsible for the actions of the CIA. Perhaps I am biased as I live and work within 5 miles of Jeppesen and several of their employees are my clients... but still, to hold them responsible for the actions of the CIA seems an extraordinary reach.
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I'm not going to argue the Jeppesen thing. I don't care much about that. I hold my government responsible, and I want it stopped. That's not what this country is, and it never should be tolerated.

I am just glad that you read it and considered it, and are now aware of it. I'm glad that people are talking about it. It's important. And I'm glad that you were open to the information.
 
Damocles said:
Often in order to secure liberty, we must give up on some security. I prefer the liberty and the constitutional protection for all those on US soil to any need for rejecting their requests for representation or even to know what they are being held for...

The whole story reeks.
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Agreed. How can you say your life is worth the misery or death of other people? That is what I always wonder. And we have those laws to protect all of us from just this sort of thing.
 
"I hold my government responsible, and I want it stopped. That's not what this country is, and it never should be tolerated."

Good. I agree for the most part.

"I am just glad that you read it and considered it, and are now aware of it. I'm glad that people are talking about it. It's important. And I'm glad that you were open to the information."

My pleasure. Thank you for providing it as I doubt I would have found it otherwise.
 
Superfreak said:
"I hold my government responsible, and I want it stopped. That's not what this country is, and it never should be tolerated."

Good. I agree for the most part.

"I am just glad that you read it and considered it, and are now aware of it. I'm glad that people are talking about it. It's important. And I'm glad that you were open to the information."

My pleasure. Thank you for providing it as I doubt I would have found it otherwise.
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Oh you're welcome SF. Don't go around telling people we're big cyberbuddies now though, because I still plan on fighting with you on other thread. Don't let this go to your head. ;)
 
"Oh you're welcome SF. Don't go around telling people we're big cyberbuddies now though, because I still plan on fighting with you on other thread. Don't let this go to your head."

Not to worry. The gloves never really came off.... but it doesn't hurt to shake the hand of your opponent from time to time and wish them well. ESPECIALLY when you are about to pummel them. :D
 
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