Should Americans be sent to prison for refusing to accept a form of National ID card?

Should innocent Americans be imprisoned for refusing a national ID card?

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No

    Votes: 13 100.0%
  • Total voters
    13
YOU LIE LIKE A DOG. Prove I said that.

explanation.
WM had damo change the post/poll.
e had asked something to the effect of why I thought people should go to prison for nto carrying a national ID card or somesuch.

and btw WM dogs lie very well.
Just crinkle a celophane bag around one and they will lie and say they are starving to death.
 
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DOGS DON'T LIE! THEY DON'T HAVE MOUTHS!

HEHE...

US, why do you take everything I say so seriously?

The above is obviously a strawman. I was just trying to get you to realize what such a plan would imply.
 
Your paranoid implication.
I think they should be used in a positive ID required situation.
Getting a credit card, banking business, etc
 
I'll let Governor Schweitzer speak for me:


HELENA - Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-Montana) signed a law Tuesday rejecting national driver's licenses for Montanans, saying the message to the federal government was "no, nope, no way, hell no."

"We also don't think that bureaucrats in Washington D.C. ought to tell us that if we're going to get on a plane we have to carry their card, so when it's scanned through they know where you went, when you got there and when you came home," Schweitzer said.
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National identification systems are rather notorious for becoming subject to a lot of scope and functionality creep over the years. As the ID cards become more accepted they become used for just about everything.
 
Message to Montana's governor, unless we do something to change it the National ID program begins in May 2008 starting with the Real ID program that Federalizes requirements for such identification and begins implementing a national system to identify all people that the state would have to put you into when you get your ID>
 
Damocles said:
Message to Montana's governor, unless we do something to change it the National ID program begins in May 2008 starting with the Real ID program that Federalizes requirements for such identification and begins implementing a national system to identify all people that the state would have to put you into when you get your ID>
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Its an intrusion into our privacy, its an unfunded mandate on the states, and it subject citizens to unwarranted surveillance and possible identity theft.

Several states have already passed laws saying they refuse to comply or implement it.

During a congressional hearing on Tuesday, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) savaged the Real ID Act as an unwarranted intrusion into Americans' personal lives that a Republican-controlled Senate enacted two years ago without a single hearing or debate.

"Americans deeply value their privacy," said Leahy, who heads the influential Senate Judiciary committee. "Americans have traditionally recognized the danger of an overreaching government." He said Real ID will "effectively create a national ID card."

Leahy's hearing coincided with the last day to file comments with the Department of Homeland Security on its draft Real ID regulations, which were released on March 1. They drew immediate criticism for, among other things, requiring that drivers' home address and personal information be included in a two-dimensional barcode without encryption.

That means bars and banks and other businesses would face no technical obstacles when skimming and retaining those data. There is "nothing limiting the use of the Real ID card for this type of purpose," said Sen. Russ Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat. Also, Homeland Security has not ruled out the use of mandatory radio frequency identification tags in the cards, which raises additional privacy concerns.

http://news.com.com/Congress+rethinks+the+Real+ID+Act/2100-1028_3-6182210.html
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Gov signs law rejecting Real ID act
By The Associated Press

HELENA - Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-Montana) signed a law Tuesday rejecting national driver's licenses for Montanans, saying the message to the federal government was "no, nope, no way, hell no."

The bill the governor signed rejected implementing the Real ID act in Montana, a federal law that sets a national standard for driver's licenses and requires states to link their record-keeping systems to national databases.

Montana joined two other states, Idaho and Arkansas, in enacting laws that outright refuse to comply with the federal law, according to National Conference on State Legislatures. Washington's legislature has also passed a similar bill and Maine and Hawaii have passed resolutions opposing the Real ID act.


http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2007/04/17/news/state/28-law.txt
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Cypress said:
Its an intrusion into our privacy, its an unfunded mandate on the states, and it subject citizens to unwarranted surveillance and possible identity theft.

Several states have already passed laws saying they refuse to comply or implement it.
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I agree, however without serious action this will be implemented. This President has shown no interest in listening to the concerns of the citizens about the border, including the trucks that will begin crossing on Thursday. Why would he suddenly listen to the outrage about IDs?

I personally plan on totally avoiding it.
 
Watermark said:
OMGZ TRUCKS CROSSING THE BORDER IT'S A DISASTER OMGZ
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Ask a truck driver whether it might hurt him. Also ask why there is not equal access to our trucks there. Free trade means that there would be equal, not only to benefit one side. Don't be obtuse in all things just because they might be about something that comes from Mexico.
 
Damocles said:
Ask a truck driver whether it might hurt him. Also ask why there is not equal access to our trucks there. Free trade means that there would be equal, not only to benefit one side. Don't be obtuse in all things just because they might be about something that comes from Mexico.
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this trucking thing is pretty fascinating, and shows everything that is wrong with nafta.

I just read a Houston Chronicle article that suggests neither mexican nor american truckers were really interested in this bullshit. The only one who really benefits are the transnational corporations, who ship their own crap (e.g., a Walmart in Houston shipping to a Walmart in Hidalgo). Small american and american trucking companies aren't too excited about it. Independent american truckers can't make money trucking into mexico, and apparently small mexican trucker can't really make money either, on a round trip into the United States.

Its all about catering to the multi-national corporations.
 
I'm sure small companies would be excited if we required them to unpack and load things into new trucks whenever crossing state borders, also. Whether or not it's good for the nation to waste time doing that is another matter.
 
Watermark said:
I'm sure small companies would be excited if we required them to unpack and load things into new trucks whenever crossing state borders, also. Whether or not it's good for the nation to waste time doing that is another matter.
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When did Mexico become a state, and when did they begin to have the best interest of the US at heart?
 
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