Should churches, synagogues & mosques etc. be taxed?

Should churches, synagogues & mosques etc. be taxed?

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Mojo said:
What a unique interpretation.
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Not really...


free
–adjective
1.
enjoying personal rights or liberty, as a person who is not in slavery: a land of free people.
2.
pertaining to or reserved for those who enjoy personal liberty: They were thankful to be living on free soil.
3.
existing under, characterized by, or possessing civil and political liberties that are, as a rule, constitutionally guaranteed by representative government: the free nations of the world.
4.
enjoying political autonomy, as a people or country not under foreign rule; independent.
5.
exempt from external authority, interference, restriction, etc., as a person or one's will, thought, choice, action, etc.; independent; unrestricted.
6.
able to do something at will; at liberty: free to choose.
7.
clear of obstructions or obstacles, as a road or corridor: The highway is now free of fallen rock.
8.
not occupied or in use: I'll try to phone her again if the line is free.
9.
exempt or released from something specified that controls, restrains, burdens, etc. (usually fol. by from or of ): free from worry; free of taxes.
10.
having immunity or being safe (usually fol. by from ): free from danger.
11.
provided without, or not subject to, a charge or payment: free parking; a free sample.
12.
given without consideration of a return or reward: a free offer of legal advice.
13.
unimpeded, as motion or movement; easy, firm, or swift.
14.
not held fast; loose; unattached: to get one's arm free.
15.
not joined to or in contact with something else: The free end of the cantilever sagged.
16.
acting without self-restraint or reserve: to be too free with one's tongue.
17.
ready or generous in giving; liberal; lavish: to be free with one's advice.
18.
given readily or in profusion; unstinted.
19.
frank and open; unconstrained, unceremonious, or familiar.
20.
unrestrained by decency; loose or licentious: free behavior.
21.
not subject to special regulations, restrictions, duties, etc.: The ship was given free passage.
22.
of, pertaining to, or characterized by free enterprise: a free economy.
23.
that may be used by or is open to all: a free market.
24.
engaged in by all present; general: a free fight.
25.
not literal, as a translation, adaptation, or the like; loose.
26.
uncombined chemically: free oxygen.
27.
traveling without power; under no force except that of gravity or inertia: free flight.
28.
Phonetics . (of a vowel) situated in an open syllable ( opposed to checked).
29.
at liberty to enter and enjoy at will (usually fol. by of ): to be free of a friend's house.
30.
not subject to rules, set forms, etc.: The young students had an hour of free play between classes.
31.
easily worked, as stone, land, etc.
32.
Mathematics . (of a vector) having specified magnitude and direction but no specified initial point. Compare bound1 ( def. 9 ) .
33.
Also, large. Nautical . (of a wind) nearly on the quarter, so that a sailing vessel may sail free.
34.
not containing a specified substance (often used in combination): a sugar-free soft drink.
35.
(of a linguistic form) occurring as an independent construction, without necessary combination with other forms, as most words. Compare bound1 ( def. 11 ) .
36.
without cost, payment, or charge.
 
Dixie said:
Why wouldn't it include money? Is there any sort of logic to that?
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So if it is taxed it is no longer free? I think you are misinterpreting the use of the word, Dixie.

Otherwise, the right to free speech should grant us all access to the airwaves in order to speak.

And no newspaper or news media should be taxed in any way.



Is that what you are saying?
 
Dixie said:
Not really...


free
–adjective
1.
enjoying personal rights or liberty, as a person who is not in slavery: a land of free people.
2.
pertaining to or reserved for those who enjoy personal liberty: They were thankful to be living on free soil.
3.
existing under, characterized by, or possessing civil and political liberties that are, as a rule, constitutionally guaranteed by representative government: the free nations of the world.
4.
enjoying political autonomy, as a people or country not under foreign rule; independent.
5.
exempt from external authority, interference, restriction, etc., as a person or one's will, thought, choice, action, etc.; independent; unrestricted.
6.
able to do something at will; at liberty: free to choose.
7.
clear of obstructions or obstacles, as a road or corridor: The highway is now free of fallen rock.
8.
not occupied or in use: I'll try to phone her again if the line is free.
9.
exempt or released from something specified that controls, restrains, burdens, etc. (usually fol. by from or of ): free from worry; free of taxes.
10.
having immunity or being safe (usually fol. by from ): free from danger.
11.
provided without, or not subject to, a charge or payment: free parking; a free sample.
12.
given without consideration of a return or reward: a free offer of legal advice.
13.
unimpeded, as motion or movement; easy, firm, or swift.
14.
not held fast; loose; unattached: to get one's arm free.
15.
not joined to or in contact with something else: The free end of the cantilever sagged.
16.
acting without self-restraint or reserve: to be too free with one's tongue.
17.
ready or generous in giving; liberal; lavish: to be free with one's advice.
18.
given readily or in profusion; unstinted.
19.
frank and open; unconstrained, unceremonious, or familiar.
20.
unrestrained by decency; loose or licentious: free behavior.
21.
not subject to special regulations, restrictions, duties, etc.: The ship was given free passage.
22.
of, pertaining to, or characterized by free enterprise: a free economy.
23.
that may be used by or is open to all: a free market.
24.
engaged in by all present; general: a free fight.
25.
not literal, as a translation, adaptation, or the like; loose.
26.
uncombined chemically: free oxygen.
27.
traveling without power; under no force except that of gravity or inertia: free flight.
28.
Phonetics . (of a vowel) situated in an open syllable ( opposed to checked).
29.
at liberty to enter and enjoy at will (usually fol. by of ): to be free of a friend's house.
30.
not subject to rules, set forms, etc.: The young students had an hour of free play between classes.
31.
easily worked, as stone, land, etc.
32.
Mathematics . (of a vector) having specified magnitude and direction but no specified initial point. Compare bound1 ( def. 9 ) .
33.
Also, large. Nautical . (of a wind) nearly on the quarter, so that a sailing vessel may sail free.
34.
not containing a specified substance (often used in combination): a sugar-free soft drink.
35.
(of a linguistic form) occurring as an independent construction, without necessary combination with other forms, as most words. Compare bound1 ( def. 11 ) .
36.
without cost, payment, or charge.
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So you hold the belief that the same adjective carries all of these meanings wherever it appears?
 
WinterBorn said:
So if it is taxed it is no longer free? I think you are misinterpreting the use of the word, Dixie.

Otherwise, the right to free speech should grant us all access to the airwaves in order to speak.

And no newspaper or news media should be taxed in any way.



Is that what you are saying?
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We do have the same opportunity to access the airwaves. Newspapers and news media sell a product for profit, and the profit is taxed, not their right to publish.
 
Mojo said:
So you hold the belief that the same adjective carries all of these meanings wherever it appears?
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Nope, I didn't say it carried all those meanings, but the meanings include what you claim they shouldn't reasonably include. I'll ask you again, do you have any logical basis for what you inferred?
 
Dixie said:
Nope, I didn't say it carried all those meanings, but the meanings include what you claim they shouldn't reasonably include. I'll ask you again, do you have any logical basis for what you inferred?
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Which of the definitions that you posted apply wherever they appear in the United States Constitution?
 
Dixie said:
Not really...


free
–adjective
9.
exempt or released from something specified that controls, restrains, burdens, etc. (usually fol. by from or of ): free from worry; free of taxes.
36.
without cost, payment, or charge.
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How about these two?
 
Mojo said:
How about these two?
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Those would certainly apply, you've not illustrated any logical reason why they shouldn't apply.

Look... Let's say you are driving down the highway, and you see a sign ahead... FREE GAS! You don't really need gas, but the sign says it's free, so you stop in and cap off your tank... the attendant then tells you that will be $25... you say, but the sign says it's FREE! The attendant claims... The gasoline is free to travel from the pump to your tank, the charge for the gas is $25. This analogy illustrates where you are with this argument.
 
Dixie said:
We do have the same opportunity to access the airwaves. Newspapers and news media sell a product for profit, and the profit is taxed, not their right to publish.
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You are ignoring the question.

If the word "free" in the Constitution means free from taxation or charge, shouldn't the press be "free" as well?

And they are not only taxed on profits. They pay property taxes on all property they own. They pay taxes on their payroll.

Should we make all news media tax exempt?
 
Dixie said:
Those would certainly apply, you've not illustrated any logical reason why they shouldn't apply.

Look... Let's say you are driving down the highway, and you see a sign ahead... FREE GAS! You don't really need gas, but the sign says it's free, so you stop in and cap off your tank... the attendant then tells you that will be $25... you say, but the sign says it's FREE! The attendant claims... The gasoline is free to travel from the pump to your tank, the charge for the gas is $25. This analogy illustrates where you are with this argument.
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I wasn't aware we were having an "argument". I just want to understand what you said.

If I understand you correctly, you believe that the adjective "free" in the Free Exercise clause in the First Amendment guarantees a constitutional protection from taxation for religious entities.

Yes, or no?

I'll refer you to this source as a reference to the logical underpinnings of your question to me:

"...arguments from ignorance and incredulity are often (wrongly) advanced in debates as proper 'evidence of absence'. A case in point: arguing "There is no evidence that this mysterious remedy does NOT work, therefore it works". Basically, this arguments from ignorance relies on a lack of research to somehow draw conclusions. While this is a powerful method of debate to switch the burden of proof, appealing to ignorance is a fallacy. It is to such impatient, inappropriate conclusions that Carl Sagan referred when he said "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"...




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WinterBorn said:
You are ignoring the question.

If the word "free" in the Constitution means free from taxation or charge, shouldn't the press be "free" as well?

And they are not only taxed on profits. They pay property taxes on all property they own. They pay taxes on their payroll.

Should we make all news media tax exempt?
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Again for the retarded, no we shouldn't make them tax exempt because they sell a product and/or service for profit. Yes, I know, they also pay property and payroll taxes, because they sell a product for profit. They are not taxed for the right to publish.

The word "free" in the constitution, means just what it says, and when we go down this PC road of redefining what words mean, this is a prime example of why that is insane.
 
Dixie said:
Again for the retarded, no we shouldn't make them tax exempt because they sell a product and/or service for profit. Yes, I know, they also pay property and payroll taxes, because they sell a product for profit. They are not taxed for the right to publish.

The word "free" in the constitution, means just what it says, and when we go down this PC road of redefining what words mean, this is a prime example of why that is insane.
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You're the one who advanced the idea that "free" pertains to money.

Then you posted 36 possible meanings.

Now you don't want to identify which ones apply?
 
Mojo said:
I wasn't aware we were having an "argument". I just want to understand what you said.

If I understand you correctly, you believe that the adjective "free" in the Free Exercise clause in the First Amendment guarantees a constitutional protection from taxation for religious entities.

Yes, or no?

I'll refer you to this source as a reference to the logical underpinnings of your question to me:

"...arguments from ignorance and incredulity are often (wrongly) advanced in debates as proper 'evidence of absence'. A case in point: arguing "There is no evidence that this mysterious remedy does NOT work, therefore it works". Basically, this arguments from ignorance relies on a lack of research to somehow draw conclusions. While this is a powerful method of debate to switch the burden of proof, appealing to ignorance is a fallacy. It is to such impatient, inappropriate conclusions that Carl Sagan referred when he said "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"...

Evidence of absence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You should read your own source, because it appears that is what YOU are trying to argue here. Because the constitution doesn't specify "free" means "free from taxation" then it can't mean that. Evidence of absence, no?
 
Dixie said:
Those would certainly apply, you've not illustrated any logical reason why they shouldn't apply.

Look... Let's say you are driving down the highway, and you see a sign ahead... FREE GAS! You don't really need gas, but the sign says it's free, so you stop in and cap off your tank... the attendant then tells you that will be $25... you say, but the sign says it's FREE! The attendant claims... The gasoline is free to travel from the pump to your tank, the charge for the gas is $25. This analogy illustrates where you are with this argument.
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You may find this interesting
 
Mojo said:
You're the one who advanced the idea that "free" pertains to money.

Then you posted 36 possible meanings.

Now you don't want to identify which ones apply?
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Free does pertain to money, you've given us no logical reason to conclude that money should not be included. In fact, it flies in the face of reason and logic to presume "free" wouldn't include money. What are you smoking this morning?
 
Dixie said:
You should read your own source, because it appears that is what YOU are trying to argue here. Because the constitution doesn't specify "free" means "free from taxation" then it can't mean that. Evidence of absence, no?
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No.

You contend that the word "free" means "freedom from taxation"?

Yes, or no?
 
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