Should Obama Legalize weed

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Why is it that the government should be able to tell me that I cannot have and smoke marijuana?

The dangers are from long-term inhalation of smoke. The drug itself is not particularly dangerous.

Why should I, as a responsible citizen, be prevented from using it if I choose to do so?
 
Dixie said:
*sigh* So, I guess we disagree?

Please don't draw irrelevant comparisons here. There is no relevant comparison that can be made to this particular subject. Liquor and tobacco were legal and accepted by society for years before they knew or realized any potential health risks. I clearly stated that we should not make things illegal simply because they are bad for us! Something we KNOW is bad for your health, shouldn't be legalized, taxed, and made available for commercial consumption. Pointing to things that already are, doesn't justify doing it some more!

I agree with you about pot being easier for kids to get than beer. The same can be said of crystal meth, should we start selling that in stores too? Is there any evidence that selling it in stores will prevent kids from obtaining it, if they want it? Don't you guess that if pot were legal and taxed, there would still be people growing it in their closets and selling it to kids? Better yet, the kids could just grow it in their back yard, it's a fucking weed! It's times like this I wonder about you Damo, you seem to be doing like the Democrats and talking out of both sides of your mouth... you want to give us freedom to buy pot so you can control it and tax it!
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Marijuana and cocaine were legal and accepted by society before they became illegal as well.

The comparisons are valid.

Stop putting people in prison for Meth use, put them there for the manufacturing of it. But Marijuana? You can pick it from the side of the road.

It's a bunch of rubbish. If you want to nanny people into submission with the power of "the government knows what's good for you" why haven't you suggested we make crossing streets illegal? People sometimes get hit by cars.
 
Solitary said:
Why is it that the government should be able to tell me that I cannot have and smoke marijuana?

The dangers are from long-term inhalation of smoke. The drug itself is not particularly dangerous.

Why should I, as a responsible citizen, be prevented from using it if I choose to do so?
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the government believes you are not responsible, unfortunately
 
Solitary said:
Why is it that the government should be able to tell me that I cannot have and smoke marijuana?

The dangers are from long-term inhalation of smoke. The drug itself is not particularly dangerous.

Why should I, as a responsible citizen, be prevented from using it if I choose to do so?
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Can you people not read it when I post the word "DECRIMINALIZATION" or what? Is there some kind of filter which prevents you from seeing that in my posts? Because I know I have typed it, I keep typing it, and have been typing it forever!

I agree, government shouldn't prevent you from doing anything, as long as it doesn't harm others, and as long as I don't have to pay for the consequence. Preventing something from being sold as a commercial product, does not prevent you from using it. You currently use pot, don't you?
 
Damocles said:
Marijuana and cocaine were legal and accepted by society before they became illegal as well.

The comparisons are valid.

Stop putting people in prison for Meth use, put them there for the manufacturing of it. But Marijuana? You can pick it from the side of the road.

It's a bunch of rubbish. If you want to nanny people into submission with the power of "the government knows what's good for you" why haven't you suggested we make crossing streets illegal? People sometimes get hit by cars.
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Nope, the comparisons aren't valid. If we lived in the day when cocaine and pot laws were being debated, I would advocate the same thing... don't make it a legally sold consumer good, but don't criminalize it either. The same goes for cigarettes, if we lived in 1700 and were debating tobacco as a product, and knew of the health risks like we do today, I would say the same thing about it. Add liquor to that list as well.

I don't want to "nanny" any fucking body, Damo, so stop sounding like a pinhead! I have not proposed making ANYTHING illegal, which is already legal! So, stop with the strawmen about people getting hit by cars and such. You are generally better than this, why are you acting like a jackass?

Our government shouldn't ENDORSE or SANCTION the commerce of products that knowingly harm or damage our health. It is reckless and irresponsible! Remove the laws against possession, don't throw people in jail for having it or even manufacturing it for personal use, but don't put the government 'seal of approval' on it along with a big 'ol tax stamp! Maybe it's the 'conservative' in me, but I just think that is the wrong thing to do.
 
Dixie said:
Can you people not read it when I post the word "DECRIMINALIZATION" or what? Is there some kind of filter which prevents you from seeing that in my posts? Because I know I have typed it, I keep typing it, and have been typing it forever!

I agree, government shouldn't prevent you from doing anything, as long as it doesn't harm others, and as long as I don't have to pay for the consequence. Preventing something from being sold as a commercial product, does not prevent you from using it. You currently use pot, don't you?
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No Dixie, I do not currently smoke. I have probably gotten high 3 or 4 times in the last 5 years.
 
Dixie said:
Nope, the comparisons aren't valid. If we lived in the day when cocaine and pot laws were being debated, I would advocate the same thing... don't make it a legally sold consumer good, but don't criminalize it either. The same goes for cigarettes, if we lived in 1700 and were debating tobacco as a product, and knew of the health risks like we do today, I would say the same thing about it. Add liquor to that list as well.

I don't want to "nanny" any fucking body, Damo, so stop sounding like a pinhead! I have not proposed making ANYTHING illegal, which is already legal! So, stop with the strawmen about people getting hit by cars and such. You are generally better than this, why are you acting like a jackass?

Our government shouldn't ENDORSE or SANCTION the commerce of products that knowingly harm or damage our health. It is reckless and irresponsible! Remove the laws against possession, don't throw people in jail for having it or even manufacturing it for personal use, but don't put the government 'seal of approval' on it along with a big 'ol tax stamp! Maybe it's the 'conservative' in me, but I just think that is the wrong thing to do.
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They are.

You just are playing obtuse. The reality is, the first line of your post stated that the government should protect you from harm. Even stupid harm like using Meth, apparently.

I put that directly back on you, the government is not your mommy and need to protect you from buying stuff like cigarettes that are bad for you by putting people in prison for selling to you.

It's silly.
 
Dixie said:
Not the point... you could if you wanted to.
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If I am willing to risk incarceration. And if I can find a supplier willing to risk incarceration.

Only one of those would be fixed by decriminalization.
 
Dixie said:
Our government has a responsibility to protect us from harm. In fact, some would argue it is the federal government's only real responsibility and function. Ingesting smoke into your lungs, no matter what kind, is not healthy for you. In my opinion, it would go against the foundational responsibility of government to legalize something known to be hazardous to your health. Save your arguments about how pot is beneficial to some, it is the delivery system which poses a problem. Any time you ingest smoke into your lungs, you are ingesting carcinogens, and putting your respiratory health at risk.

I'm not saying we should make things illegal that are bad for your health, but we shouldn't compound the problem by adding to it. If we knew then what we know now about cigarettes, it would have been wrong to legalize them as a commercial product. It is the only product sold, that if used as directed, will kill you.

Decriminalization would eliminate the onerous laws currently plaguing the pot smoker. It would free up space in our prisons, as well as resources for law enforcement, to go after much more serious drug problems. I would even be willing to accept a "medical marijuana" exemption, where doctors could prescribe it as a controlled pharmaceutical for certain patients. I just feel that complete legalization, having it sitting there on the store shelf along side cigarettes, and taxing it, is the wrong way to go.

(I am an occasional pot smoker)
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dixie if you are an occassional smoker, perhaps you should smoke some more.

I take it from your argument that you wouldn't have a problem with vaporizers or weed brownies. no smoke involved.
 
Damocles said:
They are.

You just are playing obtuse. The reality is, the first line of your post stated that the government should protect you from harm. Even stupid harm like using Meth, apparently.

I put that directly back on you, the government is not your mommy and need to protect you from buying stuff like cigarettes that are bad for you by putting people in prison for selling to you.

It's silly.
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"To provide for the general welfare" is the cornerstone of our government, Damo! It is the federal government's primary function! Some would argue it is the federal government's ONLY legitimate function! What's silly is you keeping up this "government is not your mommy" bullshit, when I never said it was! Government does have a responsibility to protect its citizens, and that includes legalization of things that are a known danger to them.

I think I have a pretty damn 'moderate' viewpoint on this, I favor complete decriminalization of pot! I oppose the federal (or state) government putting people in jail for using it or growing it for personal use. I also endorse medical use (including controlled manufacturing) of marijuana. The 'line' I draw, is in the commercial sale, taxation and distribution of pot as a consumer product. I see that as an affront to the very principles of governmental responsibility.
 
Solitary said:
If I am willing to risk incarceration. And if I can find a supplier willing to risk incarceration.

Only one of those would be fixed by decriminalization.
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Yes, and amazingly enough, it's the one that you complained about when you posted: Why is it that the government should be able to tell me that I cannot have and smoke marijuana? ...Why should I, as a responsible citizen, be prevented from using it if I choose to do so?
 
Grind said:
dixie if you are an occassional smoker, perhaps you should smoke some more.

I take it from your argument that you wouldn't have a problem with vaporizers or weed brownies. no smoke involved.
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Well, I see a big loophole developing there, Grind. I don't favor the commercial sale of pot for any purpose. If the FDA wants to list it as a controlled substance and let doctors prescribe it, I am fine with that. I don't have a problem with anyone growing it or possessing it whatsoever, but commercial production and distribution should not be allowed.
 
Thats right Dixie, the government should stick to Oxycontin and Demerol, weed is just too dangerous for commercial purposes....on the other hand it does help for medicinal purposes for people getting chemo it gives them an appetite.
 
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