Should States be able to secede?

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The question isn't whether they should do it. But, should they be able to if they so choose. If in the course of human event a State no longer feels its interests are being served by the Union, should they be allowed to cease association in the Union? Or is it like joining the Mafia, once you are in, you can never get out?

Please try to avoid any references to the days of slavery. There are plenty of reasons to secede besides wanting the put the negro back on the cotton fields which is the popular liberal meme. AS a matter of fact, even if that were the reason for a State wanting to secede today, all the negroes of that State would have to do is just pack their bags and go.

No, this is purely a philosophical discussion about freedom and the choice to associate or not associate.
 
Well, I would say the practice was certainly invalidated all those years ago, not by American victory, but by the motives of the south.

If a state seceded today, I doubt anyone would care.
 
Should Grind create a board for those wishing to secede from reality to contemplate sci-fi nonsense?

This is really about a desire to rationalize the Civil War, slavery and Jim Crow, but let's pretend it is not. It would largely depend on how it is done. The process should be rather long and arduous, requiring a super majority of residents (no disqualifying voters and maybe even non citizens should be given a vote as they would be subject to any laws), the seceding state should compensate those wanting to relocate as a result, payment for losses to Federal government assets, consideration of encumbrances to trade, a constitution for the seceding states and necessary treaties.

You get busy writing that up and then we can all consider it.
 
Should Grind create a board for those wishing to secede from reality to contemplate sci-fi nonsense?

This is really about a desire to rationalize the Civil War, slavery and Jim Crow, but let's pretend it is not. It would largely depend on how it is done. The process should be rather long and arduous, requiring a super majority of residents (no disqualifying voters and maybe even non citizens should be given a vote as they would be subject to any laws), the seceding state should compensate those wanting to relocate as a result, payment for losses to Federal government assets, consideration of encumbrances to trade, a constitution for the seceding states and necessary treaties.

You get busy writing that up and then we can all consider it.

I was wondering who would be the first nimrod dipshit idiot to bring up the Civil War. Congrats on being that nimrod
 
The whole secession, tea bag party, militia movement stems from not only losing elections but losing them to women, and God forbid, a black man. Of course the radical racists, who are fed hate and lies daily, feel they are losing their country and are scared as hell.
 
Of course no state should be allowed to secede from the union.....but the central government should also not try to infrindge upon the rights the individual states
have according to the US Constitution.
 
The preemption doctrine derives from the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution which states that the "Constitution and the laws of the United States...shall be the supreme law of the land...anything in the constitutions or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." This means of course, that any federal law--even a regulation of a federal agency--trumps any conflicting state law.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/preemption.htm

You gotta stop believing the lies.
 
And no federal law can be passed that is deemed against the US Constitution.

so now we can hash over Federal Drug Law and some of our new State Drug Laws or lack thereof.

Or state law that mimics federal law concerning illegals and the federal gov.s willful lack of enforcing those laws....
 
I was wondering who would be the first nimrod dipshit idiot to bring up the Civil War. Congrats on being that nimrod

Whatever... I gave your unserious idea more credit than it deserves. If you are not seriously suggesting that we should create a method of secession then what is your point? And you are not or you would be considering details. If there is not an orderly method of secession then any attempt is obviously gonna lead to civil war.
 
Of course no state should be allowed to secede from the union.....but the central government should also not try to infrindge upon the rights the individual states
have according to the US Constitution.

So if a State had chosen to not join the union would they have been forced? What is the recourse for the infringement of States rights?
 
The whole secession, tea bag party, militia movement stems from not only losing elections but losing them to women, and God forbid, a black man. Of course the radical racists, who are fed hate and lies daily, feel they are losing their country and are scared as hell.

I can't wait until the GOP gets a Ken Blackwell or Michael Steele elected president so that I can throw this ingenious rhetoric in your face 24/7.
 
The preemption doctrine derives from the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution which states that the "Constitution and the laws of the United States...shall be the supreme law of the land...anything in the constitutions or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." This means of course, that any federal law--even a regulation of a federal agency--trumps any conflicting state law.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/preemption.htm

You gotta stop believing the lies.
those federal powers are limited by the constitution, not expanded by them.
 
I can't wait until the GOP gets a Ken Blackwell or Michael Steele elected president so that I can throw this ingenious rhetoric in your face 24/7.

nice thought, but don't hold your breath. and you could have said something very similar about the democratic party of the first half of the 20th century. plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
 
nice thought, but don't hold your breath. and you could have said something very similar about the democratic party of the first half of the 20th century. plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Well, considering that Dems were still lynching blacks in the streets, I don't think you could have said the same thing, actually...
 
The question isn't whether they should do it. But, should they be able to if they so choose. If in the course of human event a State no longer feels its interests are being served by the Union, should they be allowed to cease association in the Union? Or is it like joining the Mafia, once you are in, you can never get out?

Please try to avoid any references to the days of slavery. There are plenty of reasons to secede besides wanting the put the negro back on the cotton fields which is the popular liberal meme. AS a matter of fact, even if that were the reason for a State wanting to secede today, all the negroes of that State would have to do is just pack their bags and go.

No, this is purely a philosophical discussion about freedom and the choice to associate or not associate.

1) It would never happen in our current world situation.
2) If a State did want to succeed, it would have to happen after a very difficult negotiation and maybe legal battle about what was property of the Federal Government and what was property of the State.
3) The State would have to pay its portion of the National Debt.
4) I would not necessary be opposed if a supermajority of the people of that state were for it, and if those who were against it were given the opportunity and financial ability to leave.
 
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