should the u s of a have dropped the nuclear bombs on japan

should the u s of a have used the nuclear bombs on japan


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my point was that regardless of whether we used one or two bombs, the power of a nuclear weapon was demonstrated for all time

hopefully the world will never forget

also, i hope that some fanatic does not get their hands on a nuclear weapon and use it...or maybe we need another lesson...

ps you forgot to mention the radiological aftermath and its effect on the survivors

Funny you should mention it. :) I just read another article on radiation.

While most people trace the dawn of the nuclear era to August 6, 1945, and the dropping of the atomic bomb over the center of Hiroshima, it really began three weeks earlier, in the desert near Alamogordo, New Mexico, with the top-secret Trinity test. Its sixty-fifth anniversary will be marked -- or mourned, if you will -- tomorrow, July 16.

Entire books have been written about the test, so I'll just touch on one key issue here briefly (there's much more in my book with Robert Jay Lifton, Hiroshima in America). It's related to a hallmark of the age that would follow: a new government obsession with secrecy, which soon spread from the nuclear program to all military and foreign affairs in the cold war era.

In completing their work on building the bomb, Manhattan Project scientists knew it would produce deadly radiation but weren't sure exactly how much. The military planners were mainly concerned about the bomber pilots catching a dose, but J. Robert Oppenheimer, "The Father of the Bomb," worried, with good cause (as it turned out) that the radiation could drift a few miles and also fall to earth with the rain.

Indeed, scientists warned of danger to those living downwind from the Trinity site but, in a pattern-setting decision, the military boss, General Leslie Groves, ruled that residents not be evacuated and kept completely in the dark (at least until they spotted a blast brighter than any sun). Nothing was to interfere with the test. When two physicians on Oppenheimer's staff proposed an evacuation, Groves replied, "What are you, Hearst propagandists?"


Admiral Williams Leahy, President Truman's chief of staff -- who opposed dropping the bomb on Japan -- placed the weapon in the same category as "poison gas." And, sure enough, soon after the shot went off before dawn on July 16, scientists monitored some alarming evidence. Radiation was quickly settling to earth in a band thirty miles wide by 100 miles long. A paralyzed mule was discovered twenty-five miles from ground zero.

Still, it could have been worse; the cloud had drifted over loosely-populated areas. "We were just damn lucky," the head of radiological safety for the test later affirmed.

The local press knew nothing about any of this. When the shock wave had hit the trenches in the desert, Groves' first words were: "We must keep the whole thing quiet." This set the tone for the decades that followed, with tragic effects for "downwinders" and others tainted across the country, workers in the nuclear industry, "atomic soldiers," those who questioned the building of the hydrogen bomb and an expanding arms race, among others.

Naturally, reporters were curious about the big blast, however, so Groves released a statement written by W.L. Laurence (who was on leave from The New York Times and playing the role of chief atomic propagandist which he called the greatest "honor" that could come to a newspaperman) announcing that an ammunition dump had exploded.

In the weeks that followed, ranchers discovered dozens of cattle had odd burns or were losing hair. Oppenheimer ordered post-test health reports held in the strictest secrecy. When W.L. Laurence's famous report on the Trinity test was published just after the Hiroshima bombing he made no mention of radiation at all. Instead he hailed the birth of the atomic age, likening the Trinity blast to God declaring, "Let there be light."

Even as the scientists celebrated their success at Alamogordo on July 16, the first radioactive cloud was drifting eastward over America, depositing fallout along its path. When Americans found out about this, three months later, the word came not from the government but from the president of the Eastman Kodak Company in Rochester, New York, who wondered why some of his film was fogging and suspected radioactivity as the cause.

Fallout was absent in early press accounts of the Hiroshima bombing as the media joined in the triumphalist backing of The Bomb and the bombings. When reports of thousands in Hiroshima and Nagasaki afflicted with a strange and horrible new disease emerged, General Groves, at first, called it all a "hoax" and "propaganda" and speculated that the Japanese had different "blood." Then the military kept reporters from the West from arriving in the atomic cities, until more than a month after the blasts, when it controlled access in an early version of today's "embedded reporters" program.

When some of the truth about radiation started to surface in the US media, a full-scale official effort to downplay the Japanese death toll -- and defend the decision to use the bomb -- really accelerated, including the deep-sixing of footage of the survivors shot by an American film crew, leading to an effective decades-long "Hiroshima Narrative." But that's a story for another day.


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BTW, Christie, I was glancing at a great conservative thinker named Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, and he personally thought the atomic bombings were wrong. He also had a huge issue with Churchill for Dresden. Interesting stuff, actually. :clink:

Thanks, I'll look it up. Wiki doesn't have much on him.
 
Whatever, child killer. Does it give you sadistice pleasure to know that you are directly responsible for the death of innocent children? It will give me sadistic pleasure when you, and all who supported the bombings, die. It will be justice. It will be truth and beauty, to see you justly scream and cry for help, as the children at Nagasaki did as they were burned alive to please your sadism. Hopefully you die a million deaths, as all conservatives will.

One million American lives lost was a fiction. Even Truman couldn't stick to a definite number in the years following the war.

"The claim of a half million American lives was a postwar creation. Shortly after the Nagasaki bombing, Winston Churchill declared that the atomic bombings had saved well over 1,200,000 Allied lives, including about a million American lives. General Leslie Groves, commanding general of the wartime atomic bomb project who was proud of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, suggested that Churchill's number was "a little high" and seemed to wish for an estimate of slightly under a million. During Truman's years in the White House, the president usually placed the number at about a quarter of a million lives, and occasionally at only 200,000.

But after leaving the White House, he began raising this number. His memoir writers stated in their first draft, "half a million [U.S. and Allied] casualties with at least 300,000 dead." But by the time Truman's book came out in 1955, they had increased the number to "half a million American lives" saved and cited George C. Marshall, wartime army chief of staff, as having given that estimate to Truman shortly before Hiroshima. That is the number that Truman used publicly in his post presidential years, except on those occasions when he doubled it to a million.
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Yet none of these painful numbers...when carefully examined and extrapolated---support the claim that 500,000 Americans might have been killed in the invasion of Japan. In fact, in June 1945, while the Okinawa battle was winding down, U.S. military planners estimated that at most 46,000 might die in the possible invasions of Japan.

On June 15, 1945, four weeks before the atomic bomb test at Alamogordo and seven weeks before Hiroshima was bombed, the Joint War plans Committee (JWPC), a high-level advisory group to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, concluded that about 40,000 Americans would die in the likely two-stage assault on Japan: southern Kyushu (operation "Olympic"} beginning on November 1, 1945, and, if necessary the Tokyo plain (operation "Coronet"} starting on about March 1, 1946. The Kyushu campaign, the JWPC stressed, "may well prove to be the decisive operation which will terminate the war." In that event, according to JWPC estimates, many fewer Americans would die, perhaps under 20,000."


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One million American lives lost was a fiction. Even Truman couldn't stick to a definite number in the years following the war.

"The claim of a half million American lives was a postwar creation. Shortly after the Nagasaki bombing, Winston Churchill declared that the atomic bombings had saved well over 1,200,000 Allied lives, including about a million American lives. General Leslie Groves, commanding general of the wartime atomic bomb project who was proud of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, suggested that Churchill's number was "a little high" and seemed to wish for an estimate of slightly under a million. During Truman's years in the White House, the president usually placed the number at about a quarter of a million lives, and occasionally at only 200,000.

But after leaving the White House, he began raising this number. His memoir writers stated in their first draft, "half a million [U.S. and Allied] casualties with at least 300,000 dead." But by the time Truman's book came out in 1955, they had increased the number to "half a million American lives" saved and cited George C. Marshall, wartime army chief of staff, as having given that estimate to Truman shortly before Hiroshima. That is the number that Truman used publicly in his post presidential years, except on those occasions when he doubled it to a million.
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Yet none of these painful numbers...when carefully examined and extrapolated---support the claim that 500,000 Americans might have been killed in the invasion of Japan. In fact, in June 1945, while the Okinawa battle was winding down, U.S. military planners estimated that at most 46,000 might die in the possible invasions of Japan.

On June 15, 1945, four weeks before the atomic bomb test at Alamogordo and seven weeks before Hiroshima was bombed, the Joint War plans Committee (JWPC), a high-level advisory group to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, concluded that about 40,000 Americans would die in the likely two-stage assault on Japan: southern Kyushu (operation "Olympic"} beginning on November 1, 1945, and, if necessary the Tokyo plain (operation "Coronet"} starting on about March 1, 1946. The Kyushu campaign, the JWPC stressed, "may well prove to be the decisive operation which will terminate the war." In that event, according to JWPC estimates, many fewer Americans would die, perhaps under 20,000."


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It's fiction only because it never came to fruition.

You keep ignoring the inclusion that the Japanese were preparing to fight back, using sharpened bamboo if necessary.
This included children old enough to do so. (7, 8, 9 years old??)
 
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