APP - 'Should This Be the Last Generation?'

midcan5

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The other evening while engaging in the primary American male pastime, channel surfing, a show appeared that predicted the future for humankind. I watched for a while but personally find future prognostication a useless science as experts on any topic are usually on target about as much as throwing darts blindly. But when you see the numbers and uses of material earth in order to support an economic structure that only survives on growth you have to think a bit. Peter Singer offends some people as he thinks at the extremes, but the question is interesting and as a grandpa I hope life and the earth remain the joy it has been for us.

If you want an amazing view of nature I strongly suggest 'Planet Earth.' It is simply the best nature documentary, take some time this summer and see it.


By Peter Singer

"Have you ever thought about whether to have a child? If so, what factors entered into your decision? Was it whether having children would be good for you, your partner and others close to the possible child, such as children you may already have, or perhaps your parents? For most people contemplating reproduction, those are the dominant questions. Some may also think about the desirability of adding to the strain that the nearly seven billion people already here are putting on our planet’s environment. But very few ask whether coming into existence is a good thing for the child itself."

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/should-this-be-the-last-generation/

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/last-generation-a-response/



"A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive." Albert Einstein
 
Here we have the ultimate liberal agenda fueled by their incredible inability to understand modern economics: eliminate people from the earth to save the earth.
 
SM, if that is the case, let them. Seriously, nothing cooler than your opponents simply self-destructing on a grand scale.
 
Thanks for nothing Midcan. As a member of America's dumbest generation, I can see why you're inclined to want to put an end to mankind. I'm sure you're parents put considerable thought to the idea while you were growing up (well, they did send many of you off to Vietnam).

SAVE OUR BITCH OF A PLANET!!!
 
I fully believe that every person who believes that we are overpopulating the planet should go and get themselves fixed so they will never reproduce.
 
If there is a real and evident threat to earth, it is in the lack of intelligence and common sense of mankind. Exhibit one: the usual replies from JPP participants. Post a thoughtful piece, and you get ad homs or partisan blather. That is all. America you grow dumber by the day, why?

My next thread will reference this one. If you are too stupid for thought - I realize this request will go unanswered as stupidity has a hard time recognizing itself - but please comment intelligently if you can.


Repost: From 'Notebook, A Quibble,' By Mark Slouka

"I was raised to be ashamed of my ignorance, and to try to do something about it if at all possible. I carry that burden to this day, and have successfully passed it on to my children. I don’t believe I have the right to an opinion about something I know nothing about—constitutional law, for example, or sailing—a notion that puts me sadly out of step with a growing majority of my countrymen, many of whom may be unable to tell you anything at all about Islam, say, or socialism, or climate change, except that they hate it, are against it, don’t believe in it. Worse still (or more amusing, depending on the day) are those who can tell you, and then offer up a stew of New Age blather, right-wing rant, and bloggers’ speculation that’s so divorced from actual, demonstrable fact, that’s so not true, as the kids would say, that the mind goes numb with wonder. “Way I see it is,” a man in the Tulsa Motel 6 swimming pool told me last summer, “if English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it’s good enough for us.”

Quite possibly, this belief in our own opinion, regardless of the facts, may be what separates us from the nations of the world, what makes us unique in God’s eyes. The average German or Czech, though possibly no less ignorant than his American counterpart, will probably consider the possibility that someone who has spent his life studying something may have an opinion worth considering. Not the American. Although perfectly willing to recognize expertise in basketball, for example, or refrigerator repair, when it comes to the realm of ideas, all folks (and their opinions) are suddenly equal. Thus evolution is a damned lie, global warming a liberal hoax, and Republicans care about people like you."

Article appeared in Notesbook. Harper's Magazine



"At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols." Aldous Huxley


Are children getting dumber? « Prospect Magazine

A Nation of Morons - TurnOffYourTV.com



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If there is a real and evident threat to earth, it is in the lack of intelligence and common sense of mankind. Exhibit one: the usual replies from JPP participants. Post a thoughtful piece, and you get ad homs ...
Most ironic post of the day so far.:good4u:
 
"Violence???" That would be funny if it wasn't so ....

Summary info as wingnuts obviously can't and don't read.

"I wanted to know how those commenting were split on this fundamental issue of whether life is on the whole good or bad and whether we should have children, so I asked Julie Kheyfets, a Princeton senior, to go through the 1040 comments that were posted through midnight on June 9 and classify them on the basis of the attitudes they expressed. She found that 152 of them did not address that issue at all, and another 283 addressed it but were undecided or neutral. Of the remainder, 145 claimed that existence is generally bad and that we should not bring more children into the world, whereas 460 held that existence is generally good and that we should bring more children into the world. In percentage terms, excluding those who did not address the issue at all, 52 percent of respondents held a positive attitude toward human existence; 16 percent held a negative attitude and 32 percent were neutral or undecided.

None of this allows us to draw any conclusions about the attitudes of people other than those who chose to comment, or recommend comments, but at least among that group, there is more support for a negative view of human existence and against having children than one might have expected. (I put this forward purely as an interesting fact about this group of people; I am not suggesting that it has any bearing on whether that view is sound.)"
 
If you don't like this generation, Midcan, then you shouldn't have set the bar so damned low!

Personally, I was raised to value knowledge, and I have grown personally more insecure and ashamed about the limits of my intellect with the passing of time, as I discover my mortality more and more. This is really just an individual reaction to the challenges of the world...
 
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