Should Trump Ban Property Taxes Nationwide?

[Walt]

Why not lean on sales tax instead?

Sales taxes are not attached to the locality you live in, and do you really want double digit sales taxes?

 

[Into the Night]

Schools are paid for by property taxes.

Okay. THERE's a total loss. Kids graduating from public school can't functionally read or write, can't do basic arithmetic, and have no understanding of history or science.

All people should pay for the services we supply.

'We'?? Are you having schizophrenic issues again?

You want to pay no taxes and use all the stuff that society supplies.

What society supplies is products in a business, voluntarily sold at an agreed upon price.

You Trumpys are so easily fooled and illogical.

Inversion fallacy.

The wealthier you are, the more we provide for you.

You are just one person, Sybil. You don't provide anything.

Yet, the smaller tax rate is a gift to them.

Taxes are not a gift, Sybil.

Damn, are you a suckup to the super-rich.

Canned chant from the Church of Karl Marx.

 

[Into the Night]

No property tax, no schools ,no fire depts, no libraries , no EMS

There are almost no effective schools anyway. No loss.
Fire departments can easily be volunteer. Many towns have them.
You still use the library?

There is no proposal to eliminate property taxes, Gunky.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There are a number of problems even with the constitutionality of the proposal. Congress, not trump, decides federal taxes. This is not even federal taxes, but taxes through the state. The constitution does not seem to even allow Congress to take away this state right.

That's why we should amend the constitution.

The way to do this is to have states ban property taxes.

Yep. And, that's a good idea at least on a primary residence.

There is a problem beyond that. Property taxes fund a lot of local and state government. It is the way that schools, local police, and roads are funded. There are other taxes that help with all them, but losing property taxes would make a huge hole in local government. In many places, it is the vast majority of local taxes.

So? Make up that with different taxes. You seem to think that's impossible.

trump appears to be claiming that the federal government can just increase their taxes and redistribute the money. he appears to want to cut local schools in areas that did not vote for him.

Schools could be funded in good part by subscription. That is, parents pay part of the cost of sending their kids to a school just like they do for state run colleges and universities.

Unless you rent? So someone has a million dollar home, they get it tax free. Someone rents an apartment, they pay property taxes indirectly?

Don't be a renter!

From his own link:
There are some states that have lower property taxes on senior citizens or disabled veterans, but they pay for that through higher taxes on the rest.

It's a start. We need more of that.

There is no populated part of the USA without any police. If there are no local police, the state police fill in. If there are no state police, federal police fill in. We do not allow there to be a place without law enforcement.

How useful is a police force that responds in a matter of days to your emergency? And, yes, that does happen.

Schools in the USA are mostly funded by property taxes.

So?

Arizona requires private schools to be funded by property taxes, so back where we started.

No, it doesn't. A private school can be entirely funded by subscription or tuition.

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[Tobytone]

Sales taxes are not attached to the locality you live in, and do you really want double digit sales taxes?

Oh boy, I'm not trying to be rude, but a serious talk about ditching the property tax disaster would be nice if there were actual proposals on the table and you were genuinely up for debating a solution. First, we'd need to agree it's a problem. I think it is, for reasons I've already laid out. A working-class family that made smart choices on location, poured in sweat and money, and paid every penny of their loan with taxed dollars (like more than once) should own their property outright.

For years it worked fine as taxes remained relatively low and affordable for the overwhelming majority. But now, with crazy spending like $50 million schools in towns of 15,000 people and many more bloated programs jacking up town and city budgets, too many working-class people lose their paid-off homes because they can't afford the insane property taxes. The rich? They pay without a sweat. It only screws the working and lower classes.

Property taxes are just one way to fund things. You may argue cities and towns pay those expenses, and sure, that's true on paper. But that's where it ends. Ever since states set up state and local tax systems in the early 19th Century that let towns and cities levy taxes as the 'boots on the ground' for the State, that's all they've been.

City tax collector are managers for the pesky little issues and problems. They don't have their own constitutions and can't levy any taxes without Daddy's permission. They can't do squat without saying please. So, there's no real difference if a state sales tax funds schools, firefighters, and such, in fact for many other debatable reasons it would be a much better system for small towns, again effecting mostly middle and lower classes for the better.

Like I said, tax policy's a yawn until it's actually up for debate. With so much other good stuff going on, I'm not sure I'm into it. But say something smart, and maybe I'll bite. Yes, I'm being pompous on purpose, in honor of all the libtards out there, lol.

 

[Walt]

That's why we should amend the constitution.

You want to amend the Constitution to not only take away all states' rights, but to give the president absolute power without checks and balances? What happens if a Democrat is the next President?

If you think your state would be better off dependent on double digit sales tax, and then having the state redistribute the money, you are free to rewrite your state's constitution. Why involve the rest of us in your failure?

And if it works, we can learn from your success.

Schools could be funded in good part by subscription. That is, parents pay part of the cost of sending their kids to a school just like they do for state run colleges and universities.

So poor children should be banned from education through no fault of their own?

No, it doesn't. A private school can be entirely funded by subscription or tuition.

Empowerment Scholarship Accounts allow a students private tuition to be paid by taking money from public education.

https://www.azed.gov/esa

First, we'd need to agree it's a problem.

Are taxes really a problem? We would all love to get everything for free, not having to pay anything for it, not even taxes, but is that reality? Most do not want to live in some failed state without roads, police, of schools, so we gladly pay our taxes to keep things going.

A working-class family that made smart choices on location, poured in sweat and money, and paid every penny of their loan with taxed dollars (like more than once) should own their property outright.

One of the problems with homeownership is it ties people to places where they end up being less productive. It pulls money from productive investments into owner more and more expensive houses. I am not arguing it is all bad, but it is not all good.