Should Trump supporters be removed from society?

Jan Sobieski said:
They might have been radical & brutal but the Jacobins were for Capitalist freedoms at the expense of the Monarchy Theocratic Serfdom of France at the time leading up to the French Revolution.
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STFU at about this point, dude. Fuck right the hell off with your excuses.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
It was caused under Hoover.
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You don't understand what causes a crash.

The seeds of the crash was set up under Wilson. The 'good times' leading up to the '29 (the roaring 20's) was based on speculation caused by Wilson's policies. It finally collapsed in 1929, when Hoover was President. Wilson signed the Federal Reserve into law. This special bank was given the power to print money, as much as the federal government wanted, in exchange for the power to become the fiat designated currency (violating the Constitution of the United States by doing so). The result was that people put their gold into speculations, since the value was being liquidated into Federal Reserve notes. These speculations at first proved quite profitable, but they were essentially a pyramid speculation that finally collapsed in '29. WW1 had put tremendous pressure on the federal government, and it couldn't afford to pay it's costs. It was during this time that nation after nation begin moving to fiat currency and distancing themselves from gold, since they couldn't pay their debts. I am referring to governments, not the people.

Hoover, caught in the middle of the crash, was voted out of office and FDR came in, which completed Wilson's programs. The result was staggering. The Great Depression has set in. The disaster of the Treaty of Versailles finally resulted in WW2 breaking out. Hoover, who actually helped to build this treaty, was naive. Germany couldn't pay it's war debts either, and neither could Britain of France. Germany in particular was placed under tremendous debt (that's what the Treaty of Versailles did). The extreme conditions in Germany is what brought Hitler to power.

Hitler commissioned a car that was cheap enough for the everyday man to drive. It was literally built out of spare parts of the time, a bit of foundry work, and of course sheet steel that Germany was already good at. This car was known as the People's Car. In German, Volkswagon.

Unfortunately, Hitler had other designs, to spread fascism abroad. The Volkswagon itself was more expensive than people could afford at the time (it became wildly popular later, however). Much of the economy was instead directed to the German war machine. An economy of destruction. An economy that exists by destroying economies. In other words, theft. Wholesale. Invade other nations, take all their wealth, and use it to run the German War Machine. Hitler saw the power of the armored division. The Panzers were a very effective mobile armor. The French had nothing like it, and neither did Britain or the Russians. The Panzers were few and far between, however. They were select units in the German army.

A strong airforce was also built. Germany managed to develop jet power before anybody else because of it. It turned out to consume too much fuel to be practical in warfare at the time. Those jets were started with a small reciprocating motor (like an outboard motor on a boat) that you pull started. This engine sat behind the rear bulkhead. You used a pull rope to start your jets in those days. Some of those old starters still survive to this day in museums. That little motor produced the compressor speed enough to start the jet engine.

Are these a better economy? No. Everything about it was geared to destroy. It was not what people wanted to buy. It was massive government expenditure. It was fascism.

Hoover did not cause the crash or the Great Depression. Democrats did. Hoover was simply caught in the middle of it and everyone blamed him because the actual crash happened under his watch. People don't understand what causes crashes like this. They only see the crash itself.

During the Clinton administration, laws were passed to force banks to make loans to people that could not afford them, called the 'Fair Housing Act'. Speculation booms followed, first the stock market (which crashed in 2001), and again in housing itself, which crashed in 2007. it is not uncommon for the seeds of a crash to be established 10 to 15 years before the crash itself happens. The boom looks good, but it is based on an empty wealth. It is speculation. It is gambling.

Like before, when the crash happened, it could have simply been ignored and it would've corrected itself in a year or two as the debt unwound. Instead, Obama interfered with the recovery and caused a depression that lasted his entire term in office. The 'improved economy' published were fake numbers, just like the days of FDR. The parallel is astounding. Bush didn't help. Like Hoover, he was caught in the middle of it, because he didn't see what was happening. Bush is also a RINO. He is a Democrat running under a false flag. His unconstitutional 'Patriot Act' is one example of this.

Congress and the courts went along with ignoring the Constitution on this, just like they did with FDR.

Today, Democrats have openly discarded the Constitution. They do not recognize it. Neither do they recognize the constitution of any State. They are currently converting the federal government into an oligarchy so they can implement fascism. The ugly head of fascism rises again, along with all of the censorship, secret police spying on its own citizens, dictat after dictat, convictions without trial, seizure of property without trial or writ of authorization from any court, thugs threatening people and beating them up or sometimes even killing them, religions and free speech being suppressed, and the rest.

Will the American people put with it? Will the States? Talk of secession is already seriously being considered. Not just Texas. Many States. I don't think the SOA will let them secede quietly.

I really don't see how a civil war can be avoided now. What a waste.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
They didn't have Capitalism granted to them.
They had to fight for Capitalism.
Thus the French Revolution.
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Capitalism is not a type of government nor a nation.

The revolutionaries were trying to form an oligarchy. A dictatorship by committee. Socialism was the system imposed by the revolutionaries in the form of fascism (manipulation of markets by government). It is the same system later used by Mussolini when he coined the actual word.
The revolution succeeded for a short time, before France again became a dictatorship, this time under Napoleon.

The destruction of the Bastille, a prison/castle used by the dictatorship under Louie, who kept his prisoners in appalling conditions, is still celebrated to this day in France. Today, France is an oligarchy. While it has a 'constitution', it can be amended solely by the government it defines. In other words, the government is what the government wants to say it is. That is dictatorship by committee, or an oligarchy.

While much of France is reasonably capitalist, there are quite a few elements of socialism in there as well, such as government healthcare (communism), and government manipulation of markets (fascism) such as the automotive market and aerospace market.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
If a Bolshevik Revolution is by Communist it's Communists.
If a French Revolution is by Capitalists its Capitalist.
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No. Revolutions are not types of economic structure. Neither socialism nor capitalism is a nation or a revolution or a political party.

I will say it again. Pay attention this time:

Socialism is theft of wealth. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Capitalism is the creation of wealth. Nothing more. Nothing less.

No nations. No political groups. No revolutions. Capitalism and socialism exists or existed in the USSR, in Venezuela, in the United States, in France before and after the Revolution and again the Counterrevolution. They both existed under Napoleon. They both existed in the Roman Empire. They both exited in Nazi Germany. They both exist in the States of America today. They both exist in the SOTC and in the OWDC. Most elements of the economy in both the SOTC and the OWDC are fascist in structure. Capitalism also exists in both oligarchies, but much of it runs as an underground economy. Russia today is still an oligarchy, but capitalism has a greater presence there. Much of the socialism there takes the form of fascism.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
Marx wasn't even born yet.

It might be shocking to you.

But, a lot of collectivists are right wingers.
A lot of Individualists are left wingers.

It's not the same, everywhere.
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There is no 'left' or 'right'.

Democrats and other liberals (such as RINOs, Green Party, Socialist Party, etc) are not individualists. They want fascism. They want to be the 'elite'. It is groupthink. It is fundamentalist in nature. It is a religion. They want to dictate to every individual how to think and act. They believe an individual is incapable of conducting his own affairs, and desire to dictate that for him.

Conservatives (not RINOs!) are individualists. They support self governance by constitution. They support self reliance. They support liberty, not just for a few, but for all. They believe in the individual's ability to best decide how he will conduct his life and build his fortune.
 
Into the Night said:
Capitalism is not a type of government nor a nation.

The revolutionaries were trying to form an oligarchy. A dictatorship by committee. Socialism was the system imposed by the revolutionaries in the form of fascism (manipulation of markets by government). It is the same system later used by Mussolini when he coined the actual word.
The revolution succeeded for a short time, before France again became a dictatorship, this time under Napoleon.

The destruction of the Bastille, a prison/castle used by the dictatorship under Louie, who kept his prisoners in appalling conditions, is still celebrated to this day in France. Today, France is an oligarchy. While it has a 'constitution', it can be amended solely by the government it defines. In other words, the government is what the government wants to say it is. That is dictatorship by committee, or an oligarchy.

While much of France is reasonably capitalist, there are quite a few elements of socialism in there as well, such as government healthcare (communism), and government manipulation of markets (fascism) such as the automotive market and aerospace market.
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The French Revolutionarys supported Capitalism not Fascism.

They supported Universal Suffrage or voting, freedom of speech, Capitalist free markets. etc.
 
Into the Night said:
There is no 'left' or 'right'.

Democrats and other liberals (such as RINOs, Green Party, Socialist Party, etc) are not individualists. They want fascism. They want to be the 'elite'. It is groupthink. It is fundamentalist in nature. It is a religion. They want to dictate to every individual how to think and act. They believe an individual is incapable of conducting his own affairs, and desire to dictate that for him.

Conservatives (not RINOs!) are individualists. They support self governance by constitution. They support self reliance. They support liberty, not just for a few, but for all. They believe in the individual's ability to best decide how he will conduct his life and build his fortune.
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The real definition of Right Wing is traditional values & hierarchy values.

The Theocracy, Monarchist Serfdom of France during the French Revolution were the first Right Wingers.

The Capitalists for universal voting, free markets, & freedom of speech who opposed the French Monarchy were the first Leftists in the French Revolution.
 
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Into the Night said:
Capitalism is not a type of government nor a nation.

The revolutionaries were trying to form an oligarchy. A dictatorship by committee. Socialism was the system imposed by the revolutionaries in the form of fascism (manipulation of markets by government). It is the same system later used by Mussolini when he coined the actual word.
The revolution succeeded for a short time, before France again became a dictatorship, this time under Napoleon.

The destruction of the Bastille, a prison/castle used by the dictatorship under Louie, who kept his prisoners in appalling conditions, is still celebrated to this day in France. Today, France is an oligarchy. While it has a 'constitution', it can be amended solely by the government it defines. In other words, the government is what the government wants to say it is. That is dictatorship by committee, or an oligarchy.

While much of France is reasonably capitalist, there are quite a few elements of socialism in there as well, such as government healthcare (communism), and government manipulation of markets (fascism) such as the automotive market and aerospace market.
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What makes government healthcare Communist!?
 
Into the Night said:
You don't understand what causes a crash.

The seeds of the crash was set up under Wilson. The 'good times' leading up to the '29 (the roaring 20's) was based on speculation caused by Wilson's policies. It finally collapsed in 1929, when Hoover was President. Wilson signed the Federal Reserve into law. This special bank was given the power to print money, as much as the federal government wanted, in exchange for the power to become the fiat designated currency (violating the Constitution of the United States by doing so). The result was that people put their gold into speculations, since the value was being liquidated into Federal Reserve notes. These speculations at first proved quite profitable, but they were essentially a pyramid speculation that finally collapsed in '29. WW1 had put tremendous pressure on the federal government, and it couldn't afford to pay it's costs. It was during this time that nation after nation begin moving to fiat currency and distancing themselves from gold, since they couldn't pay their debts. I am referring to governments, not the people.

Hoover, caught in the middle of the crash, was voted out of office and FDR came in, which completed Wilson's programs. The result was staggering. The Great Depression has set in. The disaster of the Treaty of Versailles finally resulted in WW2 breaking out. Hoover, who actually helped to build this treaty, was naive. Germany couldn't pay it's war debts either, and neither could Britain of France. Germany in particular was placed under tremendous debt (that's what the Treaty of Versailles did). The extreme conditions in Germany is what brought Hitler to power.

Hitler commissioned a car that was cheap enough for the everyday man to drive. It was literally built out of spare parts of the time, a bit of foundry work, and of course sheet steel that Germany was already good at. This car was known as the People's Car. In German, Volkswagon.

Unfortunately, Hitler had other designs, to spread fascism abroad. The Volkswagon itself was more expensive than people could afford at the time (it became wildly popular later, however). Much of the economy was instead directed to the German war machine. An economy of destruction. An economy that exists by destroying economies. In other words, theft. Wholesale. Invade other nations, take all their wealth, and use it to run the German War Machine. Hitler saw the power of the armored division. The Panzers were a very effective mobile armor. The French had nothing like it, and neither did Britain or the Russians. The Panzers were few and far between, however. They were select units in the German army.

A strong airforce was also built. Germany managed to develop jet power before anybody else because of it. It turned out to consume too much fuel to be practical in warfare at the time. Those jets were started with a small reciprocating motor (like an outboard motor on a boat) that you pull started. This engine sat behind the rear bulkhead. You used a pull rope to start your jets in those days. Some of those old starters still survive to this day in museums. That little motor produced the compressor speed enough to start the jet engine.

Are these a better economy? No. Everything about it was geared to destroy. It was not what people wanted to buy. It was massive government expenditure. It was fascism.

Hoover did not cause the crash or the Great Depression. Democrats did. Hoover was simply caught in the middle of it and everyone blamed him because the actual crash happened under his watch. People don't understand what causes crashes like this. They only see the crash itself.

During the Clinton administration, laws were passed to force banks to make loans to people that could not afford them, called the 'Fair Housing Act'. Speculation booms followed, first the stock market (which crashed in 2001), and again in housing itself, which crashed in 2007. it is not uncommon for the seeds of a crash to be established 10 to 15 years before the crash itself happens. The boom looks good, but it is based on an empty wealth. It is speculation. It is gambling.

Like before, when the crash happened, it could have simply been ignored and it would've corrected itself in a year or two as the debt unwound. Instead, Obama interfered with the recovery and caused a depression that lasted his entire term in office. The 'improved economy' published were fake numbers, just like the days of FDR. The parallel is astounding. Bush didn't help. Like Hoover, he was caught in the middle of it, because he didn't see what was happening. Bush is also a RINO. He is a Democrat running under a false flag. His unconstitutional 'Patriot Act' is one example of this.

Congress and the courts went along with ignoring the Constitution on this, just like they did with FDR.

Today, Democrats have openly discarded the Constitution. They do not recognize it. Neither do they recognize the constitution of any State. They are currently converting the federal government into an oligarchy so they can implement fascism. The ugly head of fascism rises again, along with all of the censorship, secret police spying on its own citizens, dictat after dictat, convictions without trial, seizure of property without trial or writ of authorization from any court, thugs threatening people and beating them up or sometimes even killing them, religions and free speech being suppressed, and the rest.

Will the American people put with it? Will the States? Talk of secession is already seriously being considered. Not just Texas. Many States. I don't think the SOA will let them secede quietly.

I really don't see how a civil war can be avoided now. What a waste.
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The Federal Reserve under Republican Roy A. Young caused the Great Depression most likely.

How did the Treaty of Versailles cause WW2 as opposed to German insanity & subservience?

Nazi Germany invaded many of their allies of WW1 like Austria & Hungary.
Not to mention Nazi Germany even invaded their Fascist Italy ally.
 
Into the Night said:
There is no 'left' or 'right'.

Democrats and other liberals (such as RINOs, Green Party, Socialist Party, etc) are not individualists. They want fascism. They want to be the 'elite'. It is groupthink. It is fundamentalist in nature. It is a religion. They want to dictate to every individual how to think and act. They believe an individual is incapable of conducting his own affairs, and desire to dictate that for him.

Conservatives (not RINOs!) are individualists. They support self governance by constitution. They support self reliance. They support liberty, not just for a few, but for all. They believe in the individual's ability to best decide how he will conduct his life and build his fortune.
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The Founding Fathers America had strict corporate charters.

It wasn't as Capitalist as you think.
 
Jerome said:
Because you follow me around, stalking me like a LITERAL dog, and backing up your other sockpuppet's posts. It's fucking obvious, and it's fucking hilarious how you deny it.



Why would I need any? I don't espouse completely stupid bullshit that only my sockpuppet agrees with.
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I don't follow you around I reply to threads. you flatter yourself. I love how you start shit then cry when you get it back. lol.,



Anyway, people who think we should round up trump supporters and put them into camps are literal nazis, are you a nazi?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
1. I'm not running for public office.
2. Genocide refers to humans, not trumpanzees.
3. And finally, I have not supported any candidates proposing the massacre of all trumpanzees.
It's just a very feel-good concept for all non-morally deficient and non-intellectually deficient people.
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1. you run from every fight while calling for genocide.
2. you spent your life as a neverbeen and now act with the same mindset as a racist.
3. murdering millions of people of putting them in camps is only a feel good idea to a fucking nazi, are you a nazi?
 
Into the Night said:
Theft is never a boom to an economy.
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Social welfare seems to be not just an anti poverty measure it seems to promote economic growth.

Von Bismarck implemented the first of social programs & his economy boomed.
Germany under Von Bismarck began to catch up to Britain.

Same applies to the strong economic growth of FDR, LBJ & Harding in the USA.

Yes, Harding implemented child welfare .

As for the others we all should know Social Security & Minimum wage came from FDR.

LBJ implemented Medicaid, Medicare & welfare supplemental income now called TANF.
 
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