Slandering the Nazis.

Fentoine Lum said:
You're the guy who gets "informed" from movies pard, and no one suggested "Columbus and spreading smallpox infected blankets are the same thing".
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You were the one agreeing with milomason about Whites purposefully spreading smallpox to commit genocide against natives. And you were the one talking about Columbus. By the way. What is a "pard." Because if it is anything bad, you are describing yourself in this matter.
 
fandango said:
Germany is one of the countries that makes it illegal to challenge their version of the holocaust. Why? Because it's all bullshit! If there was anything to it, they wouldn't make it illegal for people to present other versions of the events.
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Interesting, so then I guess the reason it's not illegal for me to speak about america's holocaust is because it is true.
 
fandango said:
You were the one agreeing with milomason about Whites purposefully spreading smallpox to commit genocide against natives. And you were the one talking about Columbus. By the way. What is a "pard." Because if it is anything bad, you are describing yourself in this matter.
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Infected blankets were only one minor part of the genocide. You are correct. The Papal Bulls of the 1500s called for extermination. Columbus' initial dispatches back home spoke of enslaving the natives and taking their anything of value, including their land.

All of these things are true.

Was there anything else?
 
Controlled Opposition said:
You seem to be suggesting that they cremated the bodies, one at a time!!

No. Do you believe they were running six thousand "ovens" at a time? How would that be an example of German efficiency? How much fuel would be required? How many personnel? Where were the ashes dumped?

Why didn't the International Red Cross, which routinely visited the camps never mention crematoriums and 6000 deaths by gas per day?
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Why would 6 thousand ovens be needed?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Why would 6 thousand ovens be needed?
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Are you being deliberately obtuse? 6000 bodies per day would require at least 12,000 hours of burning. Never mind the temperatures required.

That's 6000 bodies per day, including the time it took to gas them, remove them from the death chambers, transport them to the "ovens." Let's get real.
 
Damocles said:
Most people recognize that in the place where Nazis had power more people would be willing to attempt this same apologia and that allowing it caused violence against the people who were their victims. While I disagree with the laws at a constitutional level, I can understand where they came from.

My grandfather was in the European theater at the end of the war, and because he spoke German and Russian fluently was at some of the camps when they were liberated. The stories he told, the eyewitness testimony and the evidence that they had not time to cover, made it clear that the holocaust was a reality. The attempt to generate a "conspiracy" and project a false innocence in an attempt to spread more hatred is repulsive to the vast majority of the world.
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Your grandfather was apparently a sucker. It's too bad he made you one too. Of course things were bad in the jewish internment camps by the time that they were "liberated." That was because the German infrastructure that maintained those camps had been getting the shit bombed out of it. Especially after the U.S. was able to send fighter escorts along with the bombers. Just because conditions were bad when your grandfather found them doesn't mean they were always that way.

Somewhere in the documentary I mentioned, "Adolf Hitler: The greatest story NEVER told," they interviewed at least a couple people who were in those camps. They said that conditions in them weren't as bad as is generally believed. Though I would have to imagine that this was before Germany started really getting the shit bombed out of it. People in those camps were able to watch movies, put on plays and concerts, form sports teams and weather permitting, even go swimming. People in those camps that worked were also paid in a fiat "camp money." Which they could buy things with. In the U.S., some coal companies were famous for doing the same sort of thing. By paying their workers with company script. Which they could buy things with at the company store. But most often, all they did was end up going deeper into debt. Making themselves virtual slaves to the company.
 
Controlled Opposition said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse? 6000 bodies per day would require at least 12,000 hours of burning. Never mind the temperatures required.

That's 6000 bodies per day, including the time it took to gas them, remove them from the death chambers, transport them to the "ovens." Let's get real.
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So you're back to them cremating them, one at a time!! :palm:
 
Controlled Opposition said:
You seem to be suggesting that they cremated the bodies, one at a time!!

No. Do you believe they were running six thousand "ovens" at a time? How would that be an example of German efficiency? How much fuel would be required? How many personnel? Where were the ashes dumped?

Why didn't the International Red Cross, which routinely visited the camps never mention crematoriums and 6000 deaths by gas per day?
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You are forgetting something. It takes a certain amount of time to cremate one body. If you have a pile of bodies, it will take much longer. Because there would be so much more flesh and bone to burn through. It would be like the difference between how long and how much energy it would take to cremate a human as compared to a whale.

One of the problems I face on confront these moronic holocaust supporters is that it is like playing "whack a mole." You whack one of their bullshit facts, and a different one pops up someplace else.
 
fandango said:
Your grandfather was apparently a sucker. It's too bad he made you one too. Of course things were bad in the jewish internment camps by the time that they were "liberated." That was because the German infrastructure that maintained those camps had been getting the shit bombed out of it. Especially after the U.S. was able to send fighter escorts along with the bombers. Just because conditions were bad when your grandfather found them doesn't mean they were always that way.

Somewhere in the documentary I mentioned, "Adolf Hitler: The greatest story NEVER told," they interviewed at least a couple people who were in those camps. They said that conditions in them weren't as bad as is generally believed. Though I would have to imagine that this was before Germany started really getting the shit bombed out of it. People in those camps were able to watch movies, put on plays and concerts, form sports teams and weather permitting, even go swimming. People in those camps that worked were also paid in a fiat "camp money." Which they could buy things with. In the U.S., some coal companies were famous for doing the same sort of thing. By paying their workers with company script. Which they could buy things with at the company store. But most often, all they did was end up going deeper into debt. Making themselves virtual slaves to the company.
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The problem is, you conflate the war prisoner camps where war prisoners were treated that way with concentration camps where they weren't. In Germany the camps were not quite as bad as in Poland, but there were no movies. Schindler's list can give you a good idea of how Jews were treated in comparison to how prisoners of war were treated, but doesn't cover what really happened in the camps. For example, Dachau, one of the camps in Germany that was liberated by American troops, was the first to use Jews in "medical experiments".
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Interesting, so then I guess the reason it's not illegal for me to speak about america's holocaust is because it is true.
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No. The reason you can speak about either for or against is that in this matter, the U.S. isn't as backwards as those countries. Also, after the war, many of those countries received help from the U.S. Such as through the Marshall Plan. Many still receive aid. Maybe they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them by allowing a different version other than the U.S.'s to be spoken.
 
Schindler's List? That's not evidence.

Look at Auschwitz. The Jewish death toll has been reduced from 4 million down to 1.5 million. That's 2.5 million Jews which cannot be explained. Further that takes the 6 million figure down to 3.5 million. Hardly insignificant.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Infected blankets were only one minor part of the genocide. You are correct. The Papal Bulls of the 1500s called for extermination. Columbus' initial dispatches back home spoke of enslaving the natives and taking their anything of value, including their land.

All of these things are true.

Was there anything else?
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As for infected blankets, you need to read post #142.
 
fandango said:
No. The reason you can speak about either for or against is that in this matter, the U.S. isn't as backwards as those countries. Also, after the war, many of those countries received help from the U.S. Such as through the Marshall Plan. Many still receive aid. Maybe they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them by allowing a different version other than the U.S.'s to be spoken.
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Ah, so you don't have a view on any action, like genocide, it just kind of "depends".
 
Controlled Opposition said:
No. I'm well aware of your tactic. You're flailing. You're embarrassing yourself. This is how you and Frank operate. Asked and answered.

6000 bodies require 12,000 hours of burning. It's that simple.
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And if they were cremated 2 at a time, it would take 6,000 hours / 3 at a time would take 4,000 hours / 4 at a time would take 3,000 hours / 5 at a time would take 2,400 hours / 6 at a time would take 2000 hours / etc.

Do you need me to explain it to you further??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And if they were cremated 2 at a time, it would take 6,000 hours / 3 at a time would take 4,000 hours / 4 at a time would take 3,000 hours / 5 at a time would take 2,400 hours / 6 at a time would take 2000 hours / etc.

Do you need me to explain it to you further??
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No, I don't think more "ifs" will help.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And if they were cremated 2 at a time, it would take 6,000 hours / 3 at a time would take 4,000 hours / 4 at a time would take 3,000 hours / 5 at a time would take 2,400 hours / 6 at a time would take 2000 hours / etc.

Do you need me to explain it to you further??
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You aren't explaining anything to me. But let's look at your figures. They still make it impossible. The lowest figure you reached was 2000 hours of burning per "oven" for a single day death toll. Absurd. You aren't helping yourself.
 
Damocles said:
The problem is, you conflate the war prisoner camps where war prisoners were treated that way with concentration camps where they weren't. In Germany the camps were not quite as bad as in Poland, but there were no movies. Schindler's list can give you a good idea of how Jews were treated in comparison to how prisoners of war were treated, but doesn't cover what really happened in the camps. For example, Dachau, one of the camps in Germany that was liberated by American troops, was the first to use Jews in "medical experiments".
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What in the hell (whack a mole) are you talking about now. I am talking about the jewish internment camps ("death camps") where 6 million jews were supposedly murdered. Next, "Schindler's List" was a bullshit jew movie made about jews. The book it was based on was clearly listed as a work of fiction. I looked it up once. It said that it was only LOOSELY (that is just how they spelled the word "loosely") based on actual events.

I think it's time you stopped listening to bullshit. Though it may be difficult for your brainwashed mind to do. I will include a few pages for you to read.
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Sorry. I just tried to look at these pages myself. I was unable to expand them enough to make them readable. So I guess what they had to say will have to remain a mystery.
 
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