Slavery was horrific

[christiefan915]

YEP! SHE IS A HE!

Could be Terry4Trump, but you can bet, the picture is a lie.

If it is in fact a woman, you can also bet she looks more like this...

The picture used as Tinklebell's photo looks like a photo of the lovely actress Kate Siegel when she was about 20 years younger.

I think the pic is of Nora-Jane Noone, an Irish actress.

http://nora-janenoone.com/

 

[christiefan915]

Someone said the avatar photo is someone famous named Nora. Therefore, it's probably not a female. Plus a few days ago the troll claimed that it has a bunch of money gleaned from multiple ex-husbands. No real woman would say that. It's a troll, and a male one at that.

It has orgasms when we discuss it this way. Blech.

Nora-Jane Noone, an Irish actress. Lots of pics on google.

 

[Stone]

We all know black men are given a different standard of justice than white men.

True. They used to be judged harsher,....now they are babied for the most part. Neither is right or fair.

 

[Stone]

Yes, held accountable by their own individual countries.

So how do they do that? Do they throw someones great great great grandson in jail for what their great great great grandfather the slave trader did? There wont be any reparations, outside of maybe California in some small way. Its all just dog and pony show unrealistic political bullshit trying to gain more votes. Insane and stupid. Politicians of all stripes simply need to be more honest.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes, held accountable by their own individual countries.

Or opposing countries. Despite Stone's refusal to to define "your own kind", the Africans selling slaves were not from they own tribe unless criminals. They were captives from other tribes. A fact Trumpian dumbasses often don't understand when they look at Africa as most poorly educated and demented people often do. Most of them only know about Africa from Tarzan movies.

I know right. How could those Africans have enslaved their own brothers and sold them off like cattle to the Arab and European slave traders? Its horrible to enslave and sell off anyone,......but its REALLY bad to do it to your own kind. Terrible,.....just terrible. First they hunted them down and captured them,...then they BROKE them by physically abusing them until they accepted their new life as a slave,...then they sold them to foreign people to be taken away to foreign lands. CHEAP TOO!!! WTF....How could they do that?

Please define "your own kind".

 

[serendipity]

Nora-Jane Noone, an Irish actress. Lots of pics on google.

I am a marvellous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house.

Zsa Zsa Gabor

 

[serendipity]

Yes, held accountable by their own individual countries.

How's that ever going to happen?

 

[serendipity]

Nora-Jane Noone, an Irish actress. Lots of pics on google.

Madwitch thinks Nora is a male name ffs, she's been in many films including the Magdalene Sisters.

 

[serendipity]

Your avatar is looking at pic that could be a 12b violation.

Why?

 

[serendipity]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this...sometimes, and certainly not in this case, but sometimes, racism and bigotry has a goodness behind it.....case in point. There's a new movie premiering soon about the Nuclear Bomb. Thanks to Hitlers undying hatred of jews, every single person that left that country to come to us, all gave the planet the real final solution. Imagine had the racist low life embraced all of its people, imagine what the world would be like today. The Germans invented rockets, the Nuc, and so many other atrosities of war and all the knowlege came to our shores. So maybe racist can do some good....just sayin.

Fucking idiot, Germany didn't invent nukes!!

 

[serendipity]

So how do they do that? Do they throw someones great great great grandson in jail for what their great great great grandfather the slave trader did? There wont be any reparations, outside of maybe California in some small way. Its all just dog and pony show unrealistic political bullshit trying to gain more votes. Insane and stupid. Politicians of all stripes simply need to be more honest.

They all need to read Woke Racism by John McWhorter. !

https://books.google.co.th/books/ab...AAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

 

[serendipity]

Yes, it's definitely a DUDE! I've suspected it since the day it posted the photo!

The problem is, the photos used for avatars are so downsized by JPP in order to save space, they cannot be helpful at all when trying to do a reverse picture on Google.

Yet. I manage to perform reverse searches easily enough.

 

[serendipity]

You can't sell anything without willing buyers. The Europeans could have just said no.

How many times have we talked about Presentism?

Pres·ent·ism
/ˈpreznˌ(t)iz(ə)m/
noun
uncritical adherence to present-day attitudes, especially the tendency to interpret past events in terms of modern values and concepts.

 

[serendipity]

True. And the Africans could not have captured, enslaved and sold other Africans. They need to be held accountable for what they did.

Don't forget the Barbary Coast Arab traders who sold white people particularly Irish, Cornish, Bretons, French and Spanish into slavery. Never see any discussion of that though!

Robert Davis estimates that slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli enslaved 1 million to 1.25 million Europeans in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th century.

To extrapolate his numbers, Davis assumes the number of European slaves captured by Barbary pirates remained roughly constant for a 250-year period

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

 

[T. A. Gardner]

How many times have we talked about Presentism?

Pres·ent·ism
/ˈpreznˌ(t)iz(ə)m/
noun
uncritical adherence to present-day attitudes, especially the tendency to interpret past events in terms of modern values and concepts.

And, this is the problem with blanket dismissal of slavery as evil.

For much of history, slavery was a reasonable alternative for many people. In a sense, in many cultures, it was simply getting a job for life. Slavery was also something used with being a POW. That is, you lost your war, you end up enslaved by the victors as labor. Too bad for you, you shouldn't have lost. Same goes for criminals. An alternative to putting some criminal to death was simply enslave him and work him to death. Same outcome, but more productive.

Slavery makes sense when alternative, more efficient means of production aren't available. For much of history, a slave was equal to a horse in terms of requirements like food and care. That might seem unreasonable to modern sensibilities, but it's nonetheless true. Slaves were also more flexible in their usage.

If you look at Roman slavery, it's typical of the ancient period of history. Enslavement happened for a number of reasons like:

Capture in war
Indebtedness
Child abandonment (you are a child, and your parents dumped you)
Self enslavement

In any case, there were laws about the treatment of slaves as well as their use. The Roman government made use of slaves, including in bureaucracy, as part of normal practice. This is similar to China's use of eunuchs in government positions for reliability.

The American version would have died off on its own with the mechanization of farming regardless of anything else. That it went on so long, was only due to what today would amount to the equivalent of agribusiness. That is, large corporations insisting on it continuing so they could profit from it. That is, today companies like Tyson Foods, Archer Daniels Midland, and the like would be the ones wanting slavery to continue.

Today those companies use a near equivalent of illegal immigrants, fostered on by mostly Democrats--like Joke who's let close to 1 in 3 illegals in the US in in the last three years (and yes, the Republicans aren't blameless here)--where they can use and abuse them at lower than minimum wage to do the work they want done.

Slavery is far more complex than the morons on the Left make it out to be.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this...sometimes, and certainly not in this case, but sometimes, racism and bigotry has a goodness behind it.....case in point. There's a new movie premiering soon about the Nuclear Bomb. Thanks to Hitlers undying hatred of jews, every single person that left that country to come to us, all gave the planet the real final solution. Imagine had the racist low life embraced all of its people, imagine what the world would be like today. The Germans invented rockets, the Nuc, and so many other atrosities of war and all the knowlege came to our shores. So maybe racist can do some good....just sayin.

This is so full of shit it stinks worse than a septic tank.

The Germans didn't "invent rockets." In fact, it was the Soviet Union and US that were the leaders in rocketry up to 1940.

http://mentallandscape.com/S_GIRD.htm

As one example of that.

The Germans were so far behind the curve on nukes they would have needed another decade to catch up with the US by 1944. In fact, there's virtually nothing by 1945 that the Germans held some massive lead in technology on. That's a fact.

Hitler's racism helped American and British physics, but it didn't single handedly produce it. That's just a common misconception.

 

[Hawkeye10]

And, this is the problem with blanket dismissal of slavery as evil.

For much of history, slavery was a reasonable alternative for many people. In a sense, in many cultures, it was simply getting a job for life. Slavery was also something used with being a POW. That is, you lost your war, you end up enslaved by the victors as labor. Too bad for you, you shouldn't have lost. Same goes for criminals. An alternative to putting some criminal to death was simply enslave him and work him to death. Same outcome, but more productive.

Slavery makes sense when alternative, more efficient means of production aren't available. For much of history, a slave was equal to a horse in terms of requirements like food and care. That might seem unreasonable to modern sensibilities, but it's nonetheless true. Slaves were also more flexible in their usage.

If you look at Roman slavery, it's typical of the ancient period of history. Enslavement happened for a number of reasons like:

Capture in war
Indebtedness
Child abandonment (you are a child, and your parents dumped you)
Self enslavement

In any case, there were laws about the treatment of slaves as well as their use. The Roman government made use of slaves, including in bureaucracy, as part of normal practice. This is similar to China's use of eunuchs in government positions for reliability.

The American version would have died off on its own with the mechanization of farming regardless of anything else. That it went on so long, was only due to what today would amount to the equivalent of agribusiness. That is, large corporations insisting on it continuing so they could profit from it. That is, today companies like Tyson Foods, Archer Daniels Midland, and the like would be the ones wanting slavery to continue.

Today those companies use a near equivalent of illegal immigrants, fostered on by mostly Democrats--like Joke who's let close to 1 in 3 illegals in the US in in the last three years (and yes, the Republicans aren't blameless here)--where they can use and abuse them at lower than minimum wage to do the work they want done.

Slavery is far more complex than the morons on the Left make it out to be.

The FantasyLands of the WOKE do tend to be simplistic ...they have to be.....thinking is not their thing.....they live by feelings.

 

[Cypress]

Then prevent the unbalanced from getting them and don't restrict the balance from getting them. BTW Letting someone lie on the federal gun form and get away with it is HORRIBLE precedence.

I suggested we do what is done in France, a psychological evaluation for anyone who wants to purchase a firearm, and annual mental health recertifications thereafter.

Not a single MAGA here agreed with me.

MAGAs even fought tooth and nail against closing gun show loopholes.

The moral of the story is that MAGAs intentionally have made it extremely easy for the disturbed and unbalanced to acquire aresenals of high ammo capacity semi automatic assault rifles

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I suggested we do what is done in France, a psychological evaluation for anyone who wants to purchase a firearm, and annual mental health recertifications thereafter.

Not a single MAGA here agreed with me.

MAGAs even fought tooth and nail against closing gun show loopholes.

The moral of the story is that MAGAs intentionally have made it extremely easy for the disturbed and unbalanced to acquire aresenals of high ammo capacity semi automatic assault rifles

or you could simply say that you don't understand the nature of inherent rights.

and there is no gun show loophole.

 

[Earl]

Not one person on this forum has ever been a slave or owned slaves.

Not one person owes reparations for slavery.

Not one.