Slavery was horrific

[Cypress]

or you could simply say that you don't understand the nature of inherent rights.

and there is no gun show loophole.

you do not have have a natural right to high ammunition capacity semi automatic rifles. We are not in the remotest danger of a zombie apocalypse. Shot guns and revolvers are perfectly adequate for self defense.

In this particular case, the only reason you would refuse a psychological evaluation is the fear you wouldn't pass.

 

[Earl]

I suggested we do what is done in France, a psychological evaluation for anyone who wants to purchase a firearm, and annual mental health recertifications thereafter.

Not a single MAGA here agreed with me.

MAGAs even fought tooth and nail against closing gun show loopholes.

The moral of the story is that MAGAs intentionally have made it extremely easy for the disturbed and unbalanced to acquire aresenals of high ammo capacity semi automatic assault rifles

The Second Amendment does not mention psychological evaluations or annual mental health recertifications.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Second Amendment does not mention psychological evaluations or annual mental health recertifications.

Correct. The entire purpose of government is stated in the Declaration of Independence; "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

Most Americans can agree that a nutjob running around with a pitchfork stabbing people is wrong and needs to be stopped. Adjudicating that he can't carry weapons is a good solution. If he violates it, it's off to prison for them.

Same for guns. It doesn't matter if it's an enumerated or unenumerated right; no one has a right to harm others.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Correct. The entire purpose of government is stated in the Declaration of Independence; "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

Most Americans can agree that a nutjob running around with a pitchfork stabbing people is wrong and needs to be stopped. Adjudicating that he can't carry weapons is a good solution. If he violates it, it's off to prison for them.

Same for guns. It doesn't matter if it's an enumerated or unenumerated right; no one has a right to harm others.

The Declaration of Independence was a declaration of war, not a purpose of government statement.

It's mention of a "creator" was one of the first of many serious mistakes that occurred in the formation of the country.

A Democratic Republic, destined to be eventually run by Democrats and Republicans, should have no intimations of theocracy.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

you do not have have a natural right to high ammunition capacity semi automatic rifles.

Yes, we do.

We are not in the remotest danger of a zombie apocalypse. Shot guns and revolvers are perfectly adequate for self defense.

firearms, magazines, ammunitions........none of these were classified as a right to possession in case of a zombie apocalypse. The founders experienced tyranny and oppression at the hands of their governments. Their knowledge of history also included these acts perpetrated upon others by their governments. In order to maintain their own personal freedom, they believed they had a natural right to these items to defend themselves against their government. When you limit the government to shotguns and revolvers, only then will we consider those items as 'adequate'.

In this particular case, the only reason you would refuse a psychological evaluation is the fear you wouldn't pass.

wrong. I will not entertain your fallacy argument.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Declaration of Independence was a declaration of war, not a purpose of government statement.

It's mention of a "creator" was one of the first of many serious mistakes that occurred in the formation of the country.

A Democratic Republic, destined to be eventually run by Democrats and Republicans, should have no intimations of theocracy.

Oh, neef. Read the fucking title: "Declaration of Independence". The colonialists were declaring their independence from England. It was up to the monarchy to decide if they wanted war or peace. They chose war.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The Declaration of Independence was a declaration of war, not a purpose of government statement.

wrong. it's called the declaration of INDEPENDENCE, not the declaration of war.

It's mention of a "creator" was one of the first of many serious mistakes that occurred in the formation of the country.

that is only your opinion.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Oh, neef. Read the fucking title: "Declaration of Independence". The colonialists were declaring their independence from England. It was up to the monarchy to decide if they wanted war or peace. They chose war.

I suppose the British might have said, "OK Go in peace."
Good point.

Of course if we stayed, we might have had a National Health Service now.
The wealthy land owners who came here on Royal grants just didn't want to pay them back in taxes.
Let's tell it as it is for a change.

 

[Earl]

There is a national health service.

You go to an insurance company, pick your plan and pay for it yourself.

 

[QP!]

That justifies it in your mind? That slaves made the best of it!
Some people survived Auschwitz too!

That doesn't justify slavery!

But... but... some people who are subject to serious crimes like Rape, talk about how they took that trauma and channeled it and now some of them are extremely successful.

So while they are not saying rape can lead to some good outcomes... they are kind of saying rape (and slavery) can lead to some good outcomes.


/racistBSspin

 

[NiftyNiblick]

There is a national health service.

You go to an insurance company, pick your plan and pay for it yourself.

You're seriously deficient, both intellectually and morally.
Further, you're not embarrassed to let everyone know.
You don't have to be so overt.
We can tell anyway.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I suppose the British might have said, "OK Go in peace."
Good point.

Of course if we stayed, we might have had a National Health Service now.
The wealthy land owners who came here on Royal grants just didn't want to pay them back in taxes.
Let's tell it as it is for a change.

Yes, they could have. In fact, they were given multiple chances to treat the Colonialists as British citizens. Declaring independence was a last resort.

Monarchists are racist dictators. They believe they are superior to other people as a birthright and by blood. That's racism in a nutshell. As King George proved, they have the power of life and death over their subjects and he chose death.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Yes, they could have. In fact, they were given multiple chances to treat the Colonialists as British citizens. Declaring independence was a last resort.

Monarchists are racist dictators. They believe they are superior to other people as a birthright and by blood. That's racism in a nutshell. As King George proved, they have the power of life and death over their subjects and he chose death.

Poor King George was insane. This is public knowledge. I doubt if he was responsible for any of it.

I had a friend--he has since passed--who also threw stones at every head which stood above the crowd--a real class warrior.
He also did not believe that the elite were elite for a reason.

However, he had some good qualities as well,
and it's been rumored, although not credibly,
that I actually have one or two bad ones.

We somehow managed to stay friends right up until he died.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Poor King George was insane. This is public knowledge. I doubt if he was responsible for any of it.

I had a friend--he has since passed--who also threw stones at every head which stood above the crowd--a real class warrior.
He also did not believe that the elite were elite for a reason.

However, he had some good qualities as well,
and it's been rumored, although not credibly,
that I actually have one or two bad ones.

We somehow managed to stay friends right up until he died.

He was the King of England. That's why monarchies are bad and anyone who supports them is a racist fuckwit.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

That doesn't justify slavery!

don't you think that that is an issue you should take up with the egyptians from several thousand years ago?

It is a monumental act of idiocy to judge the actions of people from over 150 years ago to the standards of today

 

[Cypress]

Yes, we do.

firearms, magazines, ammunitions........none of these were classified as a right to possession in case of a zombie apocalypse. The founders experienced tyranny and oppression at the hands of their governments. Their knowledge of history also included these acts perpetrated upon others by their governments. In order to maintain their own personal freedom, they believed they had a natural right to these items to defend themselves against their government. When you limit the government to shotguns and revolvers, only then will we consider those items as 'adequate'.


wrong. I will not entertain your fallacy argument.

No, you wouldn't pass a psychological evaluation for weapons ownership if your history of posting violent rhetoric and threats to inflict civilian collateral damage were known.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No, you wouldn't pass a psychological evaluation for weapons ownership if your history of posting violent rhetoric and threats to inflict civilian collateral damage were known.

which is exactly why we don't let government, or a majority, dictate those terms. doing such would allow for the same acts of tyranny and oppression that we sought to get away from.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

He was the King of England. That's why monarchies are bad and anyone who supports them is a racist fuckwit.

I confesses to experiencing a measure of amusement at your ability to keep things simple,

so simple, in fact,

that they're virtually meaningless!

Don't go changing, Oom!

 

[Earl]

You're seriously deficient, both intellectually and morally.
Further, you're not embarrassed to let everyone know.
You don't have to be so overt.
We can tell anyway.

You are a racist and a proven liar and facing the grim reaper, old man.

Toddle on down to the doughnut shop and hasten your meeting with the Grim Reaper and your creator.

Nifty Loon:

"I confesses..."

And he calls others uneducated.


GED?

 

[serendipity]

Poor King George was insane. This is public knowledge. I doubt if he was responsible for any of it.

I had a friend--he has since passed--who also threw stones at every head which stood above the crowd--a real class warrior.
He also did not believe that the elite were elite for a reason.

However, he had some good qualities as well,
and it's been rumored, although not credibly,
that I actually have one or two bad ones.

We somehow managed to stay friends right up until he died.

He wasn't insane, he suffered from porphyria, shit for brains.