Smells like a coup to me

T. A. Gardner said:
In the first case, which tribe(s) are you referring to? The only clear case of something like you imply is the Cherokee and the Trail of Tears.

In the second case, the Germans lost. If they'd have won their war that would be irrelevant because the winner isn't going to charge their own men for winning.

In the third, that's just idiotic. Persons in the US ILLEGALY can and should be arrested, tried, convicted, and removed per our immigration laws. Doesn't matter their gender or age. Or are you implying that you support those criminals staying in the US?
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You've got a rather weird logic.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Implying to the troops that the Command-in-Chief is issuing illegal orders and that the troops should therefore question or disobey the CinC, is the problem here. That's what those six Democrats were implying.
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Telling troops not to follow illegal orders is what you stupid ass Russian dip shits think is illegal?

Tell your Siberian programmer to stop eating the red mushrooms he gathers in the woods to eat because his food rations leave him starving

It’s making his brain go mushy
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No you retard. The Germans lost. They were put on trial by the victors, not their own government. In fact, in one case, that of Otto Skorzeny, the defense brough in his US and British counterparts from the OSS and MI 6 who testified they did the exact same sorts of dirty tricks Skorzeny was accused of. His case was dismissed.

As I say, In war, the only true war crime is LOSING.
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Again, Germans have been charged and killed for refusing to disobey illegal orders.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yea, sure they do. How about quoting me an example of one of those illegal orders.
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Maybe this is a part of what they were talking about?

oag.ca.gov

Attorney General Bonta Secures Court Ruling Finding that Trump’s Use of Military Troops Violated Posse Comitatus Act

OAKLAND – California Attorney General Rob Bonta today responded to a ruling by the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California 1) finding that the Trump Administration’s use of federalized California National Guard troops and Marines for civilian law enforcement in Los Angeles...
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Does it even matter? They never told them to disobey any order.
 
evince said:
Telling troops not to follow illegal orders is what you stupid ass Russian dip shit

Tell your Siberian programmer to stop eating the red mushrooms he gathers in the woods to eat because his food rations leave him starving

It’s making his brain go mushy
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T. A. Gardner said:
No you retard. The Germans lost. They were put on trial by the victors, not their own government. In fact, in one case, that of Otto Skorzeny, the defense brough in his US and British counterparts from the OSS and MI 6 who testified they did the exact same sorts of dirty tricks Skorzeny was accused of. His case was dismissed.

As I say, In war, the only true war crime is LOSING.
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Because your a sociopath



And a person who just admitted you would gather your perceived Enemies babies and grind them up alive and then spread them on your morning toast to win a war


You sociopaths can NEVER understand actual functioning humans

Your brain is missing parts

It’s why people don’t like you are trust you
 
AProudLefty said:
Maybe this is a part of what they were talking about?

oag.ca.gov

Attorney General Bonta Secures Court Ruling Finding that Trump’s Use of Military Troops Violated Posse Comitatus Act

OAKLAND – California Attorney General Rob Bonta today responded to a ruling by the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California 1) finding that the Trump Administration’s use of federalized California National Guard troops and Marines for civilian law enforcement in Los Angeles...
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Does it even matter? They never told them to disobey any order.
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Nope. That's a legal opinion from a district court judge that was overturned by the 9th Circuit.



So, the order was legal. At the troop level, refusing to obey it would have been career ending.

Also, by six Democrats in Congress jumping into this mess, they are muddying the waters in a way that harms the troops and implies mutiny.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No you retard. The Germans lost. They were put on trial by the victors, not their own government. In fact, in one case, that of Otto Skorzeny, the defense brough in his US and British counterparts from the OSS and MI 6 who testified they did the exact same sorts of dirty tricks Skorzeny was accused of. His case was dismissed.

As I say, In war, the only true war crime is LOSING.
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What does the Otto Skorzeny, case have to do with the whole story.
 
evince said:
Sorry

I fixed that post

I got distracted when the dogs started barking at the mailman

When I got back to my phone I finished the post

I then realized I forgot to finish the first line

Reread it again after the corrections for true effect
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You're not sorry. You're pathetic!
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They (the Nazis) lost. Stalin and Mao were equally brutal, but they won their wars. No one was punished for pretty much the same shit the Germans did. That's my point.

Same thing with say, the Obama and Clinton administrations doing "drive-by" Tomahawk missile assassinations. Obama even took out a couple of US citizens with them. Nobody got prosecuted because they 'won.'
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Again, for the painful stupid, ie you.

The Nazi were not punished while they held power, but once they lost power, they were punished as the things they did WERE AGAINST GERMAN LAW and they lost the protection of the criminal regime.

Stalin and Mao won and thus the protection was not lost, which is the difference. Even follow on regimes extend that protection

Trump in term 1 could protect his lawless admin and campaign somewhat but not totally as his grip was not yet tight on the levers of gov't. But once out of power their lawlessness was fully prosecuted and convictions piled up.

Trump 2 (now) has really learned to protect the lawlessness but all those people will be exposed when he is no longer in power, if he leaves any path around the pardons he will give out, because it is illegal.

So you are not IN ANY WAY countering the message of the cartoon, which is 'just following orders DOES NOT protect people once they lose power'. You saying 'but others kept power' does not change that message.
 
QP! said:
Again, for the painful stupid, ie you.

The Nazi were not punished while they held power, but once they lost power, they were punished as the things they did WERE AGAINST GERMAN LAW and they lost the protection of the criminal regime.
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So, the German government was running the Nuremburg Trials, were they?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Implying to the troops that the Command-in-Chief is issuing illegal orders and that the troops should therefore question or disobey the CinC, is the problem here. That's what those six Democrats were implying.
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And yet that is EXACTLY what they teach them in Military Academy and have for decades on decades.

Even though soldiers are not lawyers, they want them to know 'just following orders' will not protect them from court martial and jail, if they are given an illegal order and they follow it.

And that soldier has to determine that. If he can access a JAG or others in command great. Get that back up. But if they are out in the war theater and a superior gives them an illegal order (kill those civilians) and they do not refuse, they will go to jail.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It reinforces my point. In war, the victors determine who are the criminals and what crimes they committed. The victors don't try their own side for such things, after all, they won.
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So you are saying that might makes right, to justify Trump's fascism.
 
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