So Cypress

That is so.
So it is.
I am certainly against peace when it means the death of more people. At least with the war, some of the Ukrainians are surviving. Putin is talking about genocide of a level we have never seen before...

And then there is the next war...

Better to stop Putin early. The peace of the grave is no peace worth having.
How do you stop someone with the world's largest supply of nukes?
 
What happened to the days when conservatives and MAGA morons used to holler that freedom, country, and sovereignty were totally worth fighting to the death for?

^^Was just a bunch of chest-pounding blustering, but ultimately empty bullshit?

It's up to the Ukrainians how long they want to keep fighting, and what if any concessions they want to make.


This war would be over in 24 hours if the invaders withdrew from sovereign Ukrainian land.
Answer my questions FIRST.
 
What happened to the days when conservatives and MAGA morons used to holler that freedom, country, and sovereignty were totally worth fighting to the death for?

^^Was just a bunch of chest-pounding blustering, but ultimately empty bullshit?

It's up to the Ukrainians how long they want to keep fighting, and what if any concessions they want to make.


This war would be over in 24 hours if the invaders withdrew from sovereign Ukrainian land.
So are you in favor of more lives being lost and Russia going nowhere.
 
So are you in favor of more lives being lost and Russia going nowhere.

He's a known sex pest who wouldn't stop stalking women online until the authorities stepped in.

Keep that in mind when you consider his delusional mewlings.
 
Have you noticed that Ukraine is not invited to the supposed peace talks?
Yes, I did. Do you know why that is?

Zelenskyy is nothing more than a CIA-installed stooge; he does whatever he is told to do. The involved parties are NOT Putin, Trump, and Zelenskyy... The involved parties are actually Putin, Trump, and the CIA.

Zelenskyy is to Ukraine ---> USA (as) Rocket Man is to North Korea ---> CHINA
If trump can give a peace where Ukraine has a chance to rebuild, then I am all for that.
That's what Trump is currently doing. Glad to see that you're coming around to how good of a wheeler 'n' dealer Trump is!
If Ukraine is forced to lose at the peace table what Russia could not take on the battlefield, then it is a hard no. The peace of the grave is no peace at all.
It'll be nothing more than Russia already took on the battlefield.
So the very least we would need out of a peace agreement is Ukraine progressing towards NATO and EU membership.
Ummmmm, no. Russia will never accept that. That's part of why the war is happening in the first place. Russia does NOT want NATO right on their doorstep, same as we didn't want the then Soviet Union right on our doorstep back in the 60s (Cuban Missile Crisis).

The war will end very quickly. Russia will get to keep most (if not all) of the land that they took from the Eastern part of Ukraine (those people largely favor Russia over Ukraine anyway), and Ukraine will stay out of NATO. Ukraine will hold an election and Zelenskyy will be kicked to the curb.
 
Zelenskyy is to Ukraine ---> USA (as) Rocket Man is to North Korea ---> CHINA
North Korea plays China off against Russia. They have been more on the side of Russia lately. China keeps trying to explain they cannot just order North Korea to do things.

Ukraine is trying to become part of the EU, not the USA. Again, there is no way to order them to do things.

That's what Trump is currently doing. Glad to see that you're coming around to how good of a wheeler 'n' dealer Trump is!
trump is crapping in his own pants, like he always does. That is not "wheeling 'n' dealing."

But if trump can really get NATO and EU membership for Ukraine, I will be the first to applaud his abilities... trump is not even trying, so I doubt I will any time soon.

Ummmmm, no. Russia will never accept that.
WOW, that lasted for 3 seconds. Now even you admit that Putin is demanding a near full surrender that he could not get on the battlefield.

We all know what disarming Ukraine means. You can claim it would only be a partial surrender, but a complete invasion would follow, and so it would be a complete surrender in the end. The Ukrainians will not accept losing their entire nation to Putin.

That's part of why the war is happening in the first place.
And if Putin had fought better, or the Ukrainians had not fought as well, then Putin would have won that.

Russia does NOT want NATO right on their doorstep, same as we didn't want the then Soviet Union right on our doorstep back in the 60s (Cuban Missile Crisis).
Cuba is still at our doorstep. In fact, the Soviet Union was the one who forced the right of every nation to have their own alliances. That goes for Ukraine too.

The war will end very quickly.
The Ukrainians are not going to just hand over their children to be murdered. trump has to find something to offer the Ukrainians, and he is not finding it.
 
What happened to the days when conservatives and MAGA morons used to holler that freedom, country, and sovereignty were totally worth fighting to the death for?
Nothing.
^^Was just a bunch of chest-pounding blustering, but ultimately empty bullshit?
No.
It's up to the Ukrainians how long they want to keep fighting, and what if any concessions they want to make.
:rofl2: Ummm, no. It's up to Trump/CIA and Putin how long they keep fighting and what the peace terms are. Ukraine (Zelenskyy) hasn't been doing anything during this entire war without first receiving direct orders from the CIA.
This war would be over in 24 hours if the invaders withdrew from sovereign Ukrainian land.
It also would be over in 24 hours if Ukraine withdrew from sovereign Russian land.

It also would have never started if Ukraine (the CIA) hadn't "poked the bear". Trump knew better, the Biden shadow government didn't.
 
North Korea plays China off against Russia. They have been more on the side of Russia lately. China keeps trying to explain they cannot just order North Korea to do things.
:rofl2:
Ukraine is trying to become part of the EU, not the USA. Again, there is no way to order them to do things.
:rofl2: It was the CIA who installed Zelenskyy, dude. It is the USA who has control, not the EU, and most certainly not Ukraine.
trump is crapping in his own pants, like he always does. That is not "wheeling 'n' dealing."
:rofl2:
But if trump can really get NATO and EU membership for Ukraine, I will be the first to applaud his abilities... trump is not even trying, so I doubt I will any time soon.
No, no, NO! That would only lead to Russia (Putin) waging war to take over ALL of Ukraine. Putin does NOT want NATO on his doorstep. All is fine if the US (the CIA) stops using Ukraine as a proxy and Ukraine stays out of NATO.
WOW, that lasted for 3 seconds. Now even you admit that Putin is demanding a near full surrender that he could not get on the battlefield.

We all know what disarming Ukraine means. You can claim it would only be a partial surrender, but a complete invasion would follow, and so it would be a complete surrender in the end. The Ukrainians will not accept losing their entire nation to Putin.


And if Putin had fought better, or the Ukrainians had not fought as well, then Putin would have won that.
:eyeroll:
Cuba is still at our doorstep.
Cuba wasn't the problem, dumbass. Reread what I said.
In fact, the Soviet Union was the one who forced the right of every nation to have their own alliances. That goes for Ukraine too.
???
The Ukrainians are not going to just hand over their children to be murdered.
They already did, under direction of Zelenskyy, under direction of the CIA, under "Biden" (the US shadow government).
trump has to find something to offer the Ukrainians, and he is not finding it.
The Ukrainians (the citizenry) got royally screwed over in all of this. They can thank the US Shadow Government (using Biden as a figurehead) for this devastation. Trump is left to clean up the libtard mess, per usual.
 
That would only lead to Russia (Putin) waging war to take over ALL of Ukraine.
You mean like the war to take over all of Ukraine he is currently fighting, and is threatening to fight in the future. He has clearly said that Ukraine should not exist as a separate country.

We all thought Putin would successfully be able to invade Ukraine in about a week or two. It turns out that Russia was much weaker than we thought, and Ukraine was much more determined than we thought. What Putin cannot win on the battlefield, he is hoping trump will give him.

Putin does NOT want NATO on his doorstep.
Do you know how far Estonia and Finland are from Saint Petersburg, Russia? He already has NATO on his doorstep. Much like we have Cuba on our doorstep.

All is fine if the US (the CIA) stops using Ukraine as a proxy and Ukraine stays out of NATO.
I am sure the Ukrainians would disagree. They have fought hard to retain their independence, and trump wants to sell them out.

Cuba wasn't the problem
It was the problem, which is why the Bay of Pigs happened. The Bay of Pigs failed, so now we have to live with an independent Cuba with alliances that are not ours. Russia has to live with an independent Finland, Estonia, and hopefully Ukraine.
 
So all that bullshit Rightly blustered for decades about supposedly being willing to fight to the death for freedom was just fake posturing.
Are you willing to sacrifice YOUR life or just the lives of others for the cause? Face it Russia is going to end up with some Ukrainian land are YOU willing to die in the cause? Or are you just a chicken hawk

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