So now what with Ukraine?
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Interesting how is 6 months ago MAGA morons howled that Putin was afraid of and intimidated by Trump, when the reality is Putin just ignores Trump and does whatever he wants.
Not only does what he wants, Putin uses Trump like a tool.
Time to ratchet up the sanctions on Russia and give Ukraine longer reaching weapons.
Scott
Verified User
This war only started because of American interference, which was especially clear back during Ukraine's Euromaidan back in 2014. Can't change the past, but Trump seems to finally be realizing that Russia's demands to settle the conflict aren't going to change, and that continuing to finance the western Ukrainian government's war will only cost U.S. taxpayers more money and kill more Ukrainians. A good article on the subject:
As Trump backs away, Russia puts sabotaged Istanbul deal back on the table
With Trump pulling back from the proxy war, Ukraine and NATO are forced to confront their abandonment of the Istanbul peace talks three years ago.
www.aaronmate.net
Most of it's behind a paywall, but here's the part that isn't:
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For a brief period, Kyiv and allied European capitals were hopeful that President Trump’s public frustration with Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin and threats of new sanctions on his government meant that the US was not abandoning the Ukraine proxy war after all.
That moment has now passed. In the aftermath of last week’s first Russia-Ukraine talks in three years, and a follow-up phone call between Trump and Putin on Monday, the US president is no longer talking tough against Moscow. Instead, the growing consensus is that Trump is set on walking away from a conflict that he has repeatedly stressed is “not my war.” According to European officials, “Trump never seemed invested in joining sanctions on Russia,” and his threats “appeared largely performative.” Their new impression is that Trump believes that “the war [is] Europe’s problem.”
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So, let Russia have as much as they can get?This war only started because of American interference, which was especially clear back during Ukraine's Euromaidan back in 2014. Can't change the past, but Trump seems to finally be realizing that Russia's demands to settle the conflict aren't going to change, and that continuing to finance the western Ukrainian government's war will only cost U.S. taxpayers more money and kill more Ukrainians. A good article on the subject:
As Trump backs away, Russia puts sabotaged Istanbul deal back on the table
With Trump pulling back from the proxy war, Ukraine and NATO are forced to confront their abandonment of the Istanbul peace talks three years ago.
Most of it's behind a paywall, but here's the part that isn't:
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For a brief period, Kyiv and allied European capitals were hopeful that President Trump’s public frustration with Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin and threats of new sanctions on his government meant that the US was not abandoning the Ukraine proxy war after all.
That moment has now passed. In the aftermath of last week’s first Russia-Ukraine talks in three years, and a follow-up phone call between Trump and Putin on Monday, the US president is no longer talking tough against Moscow. Instead, the growing consensus is that Trump is set on walking away from a conflict that he has repeatedly stressed is “not my war.” According to European officials, “Trump never seemed invested in joining sanctions on Russia,” and his threats “appeared largely performative.” Their new impression is that Trump believes that “the war [is] Europe’s problem.”
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Libhater
Verified User
Did I miss something or did Biden ratchet up sanctions on Russia, and give Ukraine the necessary weapons
they needed to stop Putin's ongoing onslaught? Notice that Russia didn't attack Ukraine while Trump was
in his first term, no, Putin was smart enough to attack Ukraine when he knew the feckless demented biden
was president and that Putin knew he had the upper hand in that war since Biden was nothing but a useless
puppet. So its up to Trump now to help clean up another mess created by biden. Trump already has our
border completely secure, and in time he'll clean up biden's Ukraine/Russia war.
And mocks him via Russian media. I knew exactly how much Russia respected Felonious when they posted the pictures of Melania.
So, even if you are correct... What should The Felon do to clean this mess up?
Putin started the war. It is not over. He has no reason to stop until he swallows Ukraine. Poland is building up their defenses now. They are learning the lesson.
So we should sit back and watch?
I did not say that. But Trump is a Putin ally. That is what he will do. He is probably looking for ways to help him.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Russia has weapons that would fry you in your outhouse. You are a fool.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Ban Ukraine from joining NATO
Accept that Crimea and the breakaway pro-Russian regions are no longer Ukrainian.
Demilitarize Ukrainian neoNazis.
And we have subs that could take out every major city in Russia. I doubt Russia will be shooting any American outhouses any time soon. Our Ohio class subs have 960 nuclear warheads.
Libhater
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I heard through the grapevine that Trump being America's greatest modern day president is about to call joe biden
to find out how his great plan to stop Russia's attack on Ukraine miserably failed, and to ask him if he's come up with
a plan that will help Trump reverse his failed plan to protect Ukraine by giving Trump some clear minded proposals
to stop Russia with their military offensive attacks. Don't believe Trump has heard from the failed biden as of yet, but in
the meantime I suspect that Trump will come up with another strategy to basically make Russia economically stagnant
again like he did during his first term by shutting down the Nordstream 2 pipeline.
We wanted Russia to go it, we made it very clear that we wanted Russia to go in, for the reasons I have told you.
They can do the same to us.