So we have a US born American citizen being held without trial

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I still like to believe we can resuscitate it, but maybe I am just an optimist. We had it good, and then we got trump's retribution.

Trump did not do this, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

Here is hoping the Supreme Court finally has the will to stand up to trump.

Trump did not do this, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong. The key words are "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" which does not apply to non-citizens.

Yes it does. They are subject to the jurisdiction of their native country. For the illegal alien, which broke the law coming here, they are subject to deportation back to that country.

AMENDMENT XIV​

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Quite right. A person MUST be born in the United States to US citizens or naturalized (become a citizen by choice) of the United States to BE a citizen of the United States and claim jurisdiction here.

NOTHING in the 14th amendment grants instant citizenship to illegal aliens or their offspring.

 

[EdwinA]

This is an excellently bogus position to be assigning to me. Add your name to the list of people who are predicting that birthright citizenship will be abolished, and I will mock you forever as it is never abolished.

In fact, I'll start now with you. You are obviously one of the gullibles who allowed himself to believe that, aside from diplomatic restrictions, someone born in the US is somehow not subject to the jurisdiction to the US. Too funny!

I'd ask you what it is about "Da Joos" that you are pushing, but most of the time you don't even understand your own gibberish in order to defend it.

lol more idiot rambling and resorting to straw men. Deporting vermin is very much 'under the jurisdiction of the U.S.', moron, but you're so confused and gibbering you can't help but contradict yourself repeatedly. You're an ass clown; just accept it and stick with losing at fantasy football and drinking a lot.

 

[EdwinA]

Yes it does. They are subject to the jurisdiction of their native country. For the illegal alien, which broke the law coming here, they are subject to deportation back to that country.

Quite right. A person MUST be born in the United States to US citizens or naturalized (become a citizen by choice) of the United States to BE a citizen of the United States and claim jurisdiction here.

NOTHING in the 14th amendment grants instant citizenship to illegal aliens or their offspring.

Being traitors, they merely fear being deported themselves, is all. They like to snivel and hate the U.S., but they won't leave on their own, they like mooching too much.

 

[Bai Lan]

We could have had a very different outcome if enough people had voted for Kamala.

It's really too bad she's a corrupt and idiotic whore.

 

[Bai Lan]

lol more idiot rambling and resorting to straw men. Deporting vermin is very much 'under the jurisdiction of the U.S.', moron, but you're so confused and gibbering you can't help but contradict yourself repeatedly. You're an ass clown; just accept it and stick with losing at fantasy football and drinking a lot.

this is also intothenight and gfm.....

he's a high functioning idiot.

 

[IBDaMann]

He is released, Wally. He also has grounds to sue the State of Florida.

... and a successful lawsuit will curtail future occurrences.

My problem with this whole issue is that the media withheld much standard information and demanded that everyone react with hyped fear and panic in light of a lack of information.

 

[IBDaMann]

lol more idiot rambling and resorting to straw men.

Too funny! You don't even know what a "straw man" is. Go on ...

Deporting vermin is very much 'under the jurisdiction of the U.S.',

Of course it is. Great pivot, by the way. How about you get back to your stupid misreading of the Constitution.

Let's see, you claim that people born in the US are somehow not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Brilliant!

 

[IBDaMann]

Yes it does. They are subject to the jurisdiction of their native country. For the illegal alien, which broke the law coming here, they are subject to deportation back to that country.

Correct. Illegal alien parents are absolutely subject to the jurisdiction of their native country, and they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, which is why aliens can be deported. Any child born in the United States, however, is subject to the jurisdiction of the US and not of any other country. The child is not the parents. Unless the child is of alien enemies in hostile occupation or of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State, the child is a US citizen by being born in the US.

Quite right. A person MUST be born in the United States to US citizens or naturalized (become a citizen by choice) of the United States to BE a citizen of the United States and claim jurisdiction here.

Incorrect. Any person born in the US is subject to US jurisdiction, except for children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State.

Trump is pushing this to the Supreme Court for a decision, as he should. Of course, the Supreme Court will decide this based on precedent, and it has already been decided in United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Trump is exploring a "slavery" angle, but this will go nowhere, as the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was decided back at the tail end of the 19th century.

Majority opinion written by Justice Horace Gray

The real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in qualifying the words, ‘All persons born in the United States,’ by the addition, ‘and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,’ would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words, the two classes of cases—children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State—both of which, by the law of nations, and within the meaning of the Constitution, are not within the allegiance, nor subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. The words ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ do not include merely being subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but complete subjection to its political jurisdiction, in the sense of being amenable to its laws.”

To hold that the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution excludes from citizenship the children born in the United States of citizens or subjects of other countries, would be to deny citizenship to thousands of persons of English, Scotch, Irish, German, or other European parentage, who have always been considered and treated as citizens of the United States.

NOTHING in the 14th amendment grants instant citizenship to illegal aliens or their offspring.

Actually, that's exactly what the 14th Amendment does for children born in the US. Just read it. It's straightforward.

If you are expecting birthright citizenship to go away, you will be severely disappointed. The only way for that to happen is for the States to ratify the repeal of the 14th Amendment, and I don't see that happening.