Soldiers Are Taking a Stand Against Trump’s Abuses On the Fourth of July, members of the military are calling on Congress to protect service members

[NiftyNiblick]

The Fourth of July Pops concert on the Esplanade by the Charles was really good tonight.

400, 000 Greater Bostonians watched the concert and fireworks display.
LeAnn Rimes was in good voice, the Boston Pops Orchestra is always great, and a US Army choir was also very impressive and enjoyable.
The Army also fired cannon during the 1812 Overture, a Boston Fourth of July tradition.

Despite this being liberal Boston,
disgusted with Pigshit,
the Big Shitty Bill that he just pulled out of his ass,
the assault on Harvard,
and everything else done in this administration to dismantle the republic,
there seemed to be optimism that this too shall pass.

I so wish that I could find some too,
but how do you overcome 77+ million total fucking assholes poisoning your nation?
That's the real issue, and I'm not seeing a lot of suggested solutions.

 

[Walt]

More like 18-ish. It's 2 to 4 depending on where you are in the US to the airport for your transcon, then 8 to Europe. The layover is anything from 2 to 6 hours. The flight to the Middle East is another 8. Emirates and Gulf Air are the two best airlines to fly on to there.

The bombers that fly to bomb Iran did not have 2 to 6 hour layovers in Europe. Nor did the flight attendants bring them drinks. The round trips they flew were about 24+ hours.

Then you haven't known many and are likely lying.

My grandfather landed on the Normandy beaches on D-Day. He did not work an 8 hour day and then get time off. He worked until he dropped.

But he is not alone. Even in peacetime, almost every serviceman or servicewoman will go 24 hours without sleep during some sort of training.

And they are not alone. Medical interns often work 24 hour shifts. As a computer programmer, I often worked 24+ hours without sleep, when I was younger.

 

[Walt]

in all that time I had that occur just once

We go from it never happened, to it happened for you once....

It happened for me just once also, but that was because I was barely in the Air Force.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yea, sure. It's more the likes of you and Leftists that never served having such hatred.

Thanks for the stolen valor accusation, Terry. The fact you don't know that a person falsely claiming to be an officer is guilty of a felony indicates you are not the same person who retired from the service a few short years ago.

What happened to you?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You do know military personal can dress any way they want on their time off.

No, they can't.

Wear of Civilian Clothing in the US Army - AR670.com

Civilian clothing is authorized for wear when off duty, unless the wear is prohibited by the installation commander in CONUS or by the MACOM commander...

www.ar670.com

Can active duty military wear civilian clothes? | [July Updated]

Can Active Duty Military Wear Civilian Clothes? A Comprehensive Guide Yes, active duty military personnel can generally wear civilian clothes when off duty and not in an official capacity. However, this privilege is subject to regulations, restrictions, and considerations that vary depending on...

thegunzone.com

So, some active-duty military member cannot just go out and dress any way they want.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

We go from it never happened, to it happened for you once....

It happened for me just once also, but that was because I was barely in the Air Force.

It's rare, not common, and the article makes it sound like it's a daily occurrence.

 

[Tbird19482]

No, they can't.

Wear of Civilian Clothing in the US Army - AR670.com

Civilian clothing is authorized for wear when off duty, unless the wear is prohibited by the installation commander in CONUS or by the MACOM commander...

www.ar670.com

Can active duty military wear civilian clothes? | [July Updated]

Can Active Duty Military Wear Civilian Clothes? A Comprehensive Guide Yes, active duty military personnel can generally wear civilian clothes when off duty and not in an official capacity. However, this privilege is subject to regulations, restrictions, and considerations that vary depending on...

thegunzone.com

So, some active-duty military member cannot just go out and dress any way they want.

Unless it has changed over the years we always could.

 

[Althea]

So, an extreme, radical Leftist publication, The New Republic prints an article that refers to an unidentified service member as hating Trump. How usual...

"15-hour workdays" in the USAF? That's laughable. I've spent enough time around the USAF and how they do things to know that doesn't happen except rarely. The norm is it's an '8 to 5' job and you have "duty" consisting of having to carry the duty phone and respond if called. Outside of that, there's nothing like 15-hour workdays.

We're not told her occupation, her AFSC, rank, or where she's stationed. Where's she "deployed?"

I call the story total bullshit.

You have reading comprehension issues. Do better.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The bombers that fly to bomb Iran did not have 2 to 6 hour layovers in Europe. Nor did the flight attendants bring them drinks. The round trips they flew were about 24+ hours.


My grandfather landed on the Normandy beaches on D-Day. He did not work an 8 hour day and then get time off. He worked until he dropped.

But he is not alone. Even in peacetime, almost every serviceman or servicewoman will go 24 hours without sleep during some sort of training.

And they are not alone. Medical interns often work 24 hour shifts. As a computer programmer, I often worked 24+ hours without sleep, when I was younger.

It's possible a B-2 on such a long mission has a third pilot onboard but, for $2B+ per copy, I expect they have the best automation available. Theoretically, the aircraft could be programmed to fly the entire mission without pilots although it might not be able to adjust to changing situations nor air-to-air refueling.

The 1999 Payne Stewart Learjet crash proved that even a minimally automated aircraft was able to climb to altitude and maintain course until running out of fuel. Airliners and high-tech smaller aircraft are now capable of flying entire routes solely through automation.

1999 South Dakota Learjet crash - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What Does The Inside Of A B2 Bomber Look Like? - SlashGear

While the design of the B-2 Bomber is still largely classified, the public has received a few glimpses inside the cockpit over the years. Here's what it's like.

www.slashgear.com

The aircraft features just two seats in the cockpit — not some huge command center like you might imagine. It's compact, minimal, and completely mission-focused. After all, the B-2 Bomber is built around stealth, efficiency, and long-distance flying.

Despite being massive on the outside, at 20.9 meters long, the cockpit of the B-2 Spirit seems surprisingly small in comparison with the highly packed tech. That said, there's a 6-foot space right behind the seats where pilots can stretch out and rest during long missions....

...Each and everything is designed to help the pilot stay focused without being overwhelmed. And that matters because B-2 missions are no joke. The flights with these silent killers can be incredibly long, often needing midair refueling to make it to their targets and back. That's the reason why the aircraft is also equipped with an autopilot feature. This feature lets the pilots focus on other crucial things related to the mission, without worrying about where the flight is headed.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You do know military personal can dress any way they want on their time off.

In general, you are correct. As usual, the military services have their caveats including catch-all regs like UCMJ Art. 134.

 

[Walt]

I expect they have the best automation available. Theoretically, the aircraft could be programmed to fly the entire mission without pilots although it might not be able to adjust to changing situations nor air-to-air refueling.

It is a 24+ hour mission, but the pilots can take naps during their workday. The pilots are mostly needed for the refueling, and for the time over the enemy. Because the pilots cannot just board the plane for that time, they are stuck on the plane for 24+ hours.

So you are basically right.

The aircraft features just two seats in the cockpit

From my understanding, there is enough room for a lawn chair, which the pilot and copilot take naps on. They were supposed to take naps in their normal seats, but the seats do not tilt back enough, and it is a very bad idea to take a nap in the seat you have to stay awake in at other times.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It is a 24+ hour mission, but the pilots can take naps during their workday. The pilots are mostly needed for the refueling, and for the time over the enemy. Because the pilots cannot just board the plane for that time, they are stuck on the plane for 24+ hours.

So you are basically right.


From my understanding, there is enough room for a lawn chair, which the pilot and copilot take naps on. They were supposed to take naps in their normal seats, but the seats do not tilt back enough, and it is a very bad idea to take a nap in the seat you have to stay awake in at other times.

I've flown 8 hour flights and "rested my eyes". The cockpit chair doesn't need to fully recline. In addition, there's medication both for sleep and wakefulness which, if used in the short-term, is non-harmful.

Although the link doesn't say, it's possible there was a third pilot onboard for such missions. That person would take a pill and sleep for eight hours, wake up and rotate with one of the other pilots for 8 hours. In such an important mission, while there's only be one mission commander, both or all three pilots would be the most qualified and capable of being the mission commander.

 

[TravisBickle]

Any service member who disobeys the orders of the Commander in Chief deserves two things; Court-martial and dishonorable discharge.

 

[Walt]

Although the link doesn't say, it's possible there was a third pilot onboard for such missions.

I am no expert on this, but I doubt there was a third pilot. Throughout most of the flight, they are not doing much, and can take turns staring at the controls without doing much. They do not really need a third pilot. During the peak of the mission, they need both pilots doing everything they can to both deliver the strike, and survive... But throughout most of the 24+ hours they only have the two pilots on board because there is no way to allow them to leave.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Any service member who disobeys the orders of the Commander in Chief deserves two things; Court Marshall and dishonorable discharge.

Well, maybe in what passes for the Brazilian Army, Almost Marco, but not in the US military.

BTW, Americans know it's spelled "court-martial". Dumbassed Brazilians, not so much.

Types Of Courts-Martial - Summary Court-Martial, Special & General

The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) provides for three different types of courts-martial: summary, special, and general.

ucmjdefense.com

 

[Walt]

Any service member who disobeys the orders of the Commander in Chief deserves two things; Court Marshall and dishonorable discharge.

You are mostly right, but it is more complex than that. Especially if you are a commissioned officer, you are supposed to refuse some illegal orders. It is only supposed to be in extreme situations, and has never really been fully defined... Or even partially defined.