Some are still in the dark on Obama

Onceler said:
It's cute to go w/ net jobs, but if you're going w/ that, whoever you spend days campaigning for - if they win - will not see a net gain in their admin, either. That's because we lost many millions of jobs after the crash.

But, the condition of gaining jobs - as in, the economy adding jobs instead of losing them - is an improving condition. It's pretty simple.
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That's like saying that hitting the sidewalk is an improvement; because you're not falling any more. :palm:
 
I wonder if Obama timed the SCOTUS ruling on SB1070 and the forced Health Care Bill, so that he could delare Martial Law and suspend the election?
 
Granule said:
We all know you understand Socialism, apple. In fact, one might say that you are quite intimate with it. ;)
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Apple keeps referring to countries that have Government Health Care and how great the are; but never seems to address the FACT that some of those same countries are having to cut back and the populace is rioting, because of the cut backs.
It appears that he believes1+1=1, with 1 being a constant and unchanging.
 
Isn't just sad to watch all the new conservatives, Tea Party and Libertrian members just lose their freaking minds over the fact that the same failed anti-Obama mantras of the 2008 campaign are definitely NOT working now in light of FACTS that show an improvement over the failed "reaganomics on Steroids" policies of GW Bush?

The OP has been proven wrong time and again, but the insipid stubborness of the forementioned advocates knows no shame or when their propaganda is working against them. Sad, but strangely entertaining!
 
Dixie said:
The principle would be the point, Apple. So that people who are getting something, (in this case, an income) from the government, can have "skin in the game" as Joe Biden likes to put it. Your own brilliantly articulated point, that all income should be taxed the same, also comes into play here. Why should someone collecting $20,000 not have to pay taxes? If Donald Trump made $20,000, you'd fully expect him to pay tax on it, wouldn't you? If Mitt Romney only made $20k in stock trading last year, you'd still expect him to pay taxes, wouldn't you?

So in essence, what you are trying to say is, all income should be taxed the same, except for government income, which shouldn't be taxed at all. The only nagging problem with that philosophy is, people would tend to want tax-free government income as opposed to regular income. Especially considering, there is no labor or work associated with the tax-free government income, no clock to punch or job to show up for, no boss to answer to, no tax forms to have to fill out, or receipts to have to keep track of.... Yeah, sounds like a pretty sweet gig to me!
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The strange thing is we don't see people quitting their job, divesting themselves of their assets and collecting government income. If it's such a "sweet gig" why don't folks like you go for it?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I wonder if Obama timed the SCOTUS ruling on SB1070 and the forced Health Care Bill, so that he could delare Martial Law and suspend the election?
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Actually the plan is to have the election but when the Annunaki arrive and the Nephilim come out of the caves in the earth around Dec. 21st Obama will postpone the transition of power. The war for men's souls will begin.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Apple keeps referring to countries that have Government Health Care and how great the are; but never seems to address the FACT that some of those same countries are having to cut back and the populace is rioting, because of the cut backs.
It appears that he believes1+1=1, with 1 being a constant and unchanging.
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That doesn't change the FACT medical care is 1/3 to 1/2 less expensive. Furthermore, the rioting isn't over medical care.
 
apple0154 said:
Actually the plan is to have the election but when the Annunaki arrive and the Nephilim come out of the caves in the earth around Dec. 21st Obama will postpone the transition of power. The war for men's souls will begin.
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The left sure seemed to be convinced that Bush was going to suspend the 2004 elections, so why is this so impossible?
 
apple0154 said:
That doesn't change the FACT medical care is 1/3 to 1/2 less expensive. Furthermore, the rioting isn't over medical care.
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So you'e saying that the moneys they are spending on Health Care, have nothing to do with the defecits that those countries are experiancing?
 
apple0154 said:
The strange thing is we don't see people quitting their job, divesting themselves of their assets and collecting government income. If it's such a "sweet gig" why don't folks like you go for it?
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Oddly enough, we do see more and more of that happening. More people are now on food stamps, than ever before. We've gone from 26-weeks of unemployment benefits to 2 years, and no end in sight to that. Across America, you are seeing small businesses fold up shop everyday, because they simply can't afford to lose money any longer. People like myself, who are in their 50s, are choosing to retire early and live on what pensions they have left, and whatever income they can make on the side. I've got enough money I don't have to work another day, but I enjoy having stuff to do. As a matter of fact, I have enough extra money, I could choose to invest some of it in a small business, but I ain't about to do that in the current economy.
 
Dixie said:
Oddly enough, we do see more and more of that happening. More people are now on food stamps, than ever before. We've gone from 26-weeks of unemployment benefits to 2 years, and no end in sight to that. Across America, you are seeing small businesses fold up shop everyday, because they simply can't afford to lose money any longer. People like myself, who are in their 50s, are choosing to retire early and live on what pensions they have left, and whatever income they can make on the side. I've got enough money I don't have to work another day, but I enjoy having stuff to do. As a matter of fact, I have enough extra money, I could choose to invest some of it in a small business, but I ain't about to do that in the current economy.
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People are not quitting their job. They're getting laid off. UI pays around 50%?? Do you think people are quitting their job to collect 50%?

Sorry, when it comes to small businesses I don't have much sympathy. Why does the mechanic and the plumber and the architect and the hairdresser and the doctor and the lawyer and the.........open their own business? Well, I'll tell you why. They want to make more money than they would working for someone else. The problem is they quickly find out they're not as good as they thought they were.

As for retiring early, why not? You'll make an opening for someone else. If you have sufficient funds to live on, great! If you like to keep busy I suggest classic cars and gardening. I just changed the plugs in the old '54 and ordered a new liner for the fish pond.

And most important you can take an afternoon nap! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....see you a bit later. :)
 
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