Some are still in the dark on Obama

Taichiliberal said:
Man, I see Dixie is still insipidly stubborn as ever.....even as Apple continuously wipes the floor with him! Oh well, I can expect nothing less since old Dix went deaf and dumb after this http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...till-in-the-dark-on-Obama&p=989211#post989211

I'll check back in a few days to see if anything's changed. Carry on.
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What I find peculiar about Dixie is for a man who claims to be doing so well financially he is adamantly opposed to helping others. I question if he is just a bitter individual or whether his claimed financial success is nothing more than a dream which he realizes he'll never attain.
 
apple0154 said:
What I find peculiar about Dixie is for a man who claims to be doing so well financially he is adamantly opposed to helping others. I question if he is just a bitter individual or whether his claimed financial success is nothing more than a dream which he realizes he'll never attain.
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Here's the thing. You and I have a different philosophy on "helping others" and what that entails. Your philosophy is, to give a man a fish, then apologize for not having more fish, and promise to fight with his political support, to get him more fish from the rich greedy people who have all the fish. My philosophy is, show him where the fish pond is, teach him to fish, and let him have at it! I think my philosophy is better than yours, that's all.

When I objectively look at the TRILLIONS this nation has spent fighting the war on poverty over the past 50 years, I can't help but wonder, what if we had put all that money into backing capitalist ventures, like creating the Internet and cell phones, and the returns on that money had been tucked away in a specified account with each poor person's name on it... they'd all be multi-billionaires by now, I would suppose. But we didn't, we dolled out a few pennies here and there, and kept crumbs on the table for them, and today in 2012... our poverty level is essentially unchanged. Your solution is more of the same.

I am financially comfortable. I don't live "well-off" because I am happier with a more simple life. I don't care to have more, I am content with what I have. Most people with my finances, would not live like me, and that's okay, I get it! I understand everyone has their own way, and that's cool. I happen to know a good many people who are driven to success, and have become wealthy here in America. That's the thing, that's the reason people come here! Because, if you have the desire and motivation to succeed, you will. From my perspective, we need to teach poor people how to become motivated and that will lead to success. One of the best motivators for any person, is a empty belly. Sorry, but that's just the facts. When you are hungry, it motivates like nothing else. Now, I am not heartless, I don't want you to mistake my philosophical point here, because I do believe we are our brother's keeper, and we have a moral obligation to provide for people who are truly in need. But we've jumped the shark on that one... we have obese people drawing welfare checks because they are too lazy to lose weight. There's a guy in NJ(I think) who believes he is an infant for half the day, and at lunch, he turns into a normal functioning adult, capable of going to the store to buy hardware so he can build a giant crib.... he draws disability. We're not "helping" anyone in need here, we are wasting and squandering hard earned money on silliness, because in your mind, you are "helping" by doing that. ...And you want to do MORE of it!
 
apple0154 said:
What I find peculiar about Dixie is for a man who claims to be doing so well financially he is adamantly opposed to helping others. I question if he is just a bitter individual or whether his claimed financial success is nothing more than a dream which he realizes he'll never attain.
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Which is a nice way of saying he's just spewing bullshit (again).
 
Dixie said:
Here's the thing. You and I have a different philosophy on "helping others" and what that entails. Your philosophy is, to give a man a fish, then apologize for not having more fish, and promise to fight with his political support, to get him more fish from the rich greedy people who have all the fish. My philosophy is, show him where the fish pond is, teach him to fish, and let him have at it! I think my philosophy is better than yours, that's all.
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Teach him to fish. Show him where the fish are. It sounds like you're promoting free education and after graduation let him know where he can get a job. I can't argue with that!

Of course, today's reality is quite different. If you don't have any money we're not going to show you how to fish. Not only that but, in some jurisdictions, if one is unemployed they are forbidden to learn how to fish (one can not attend school while collecting unemployment insurance. However, I see the laws are finally changing. North or South Carolina being one.)

When I objectively look at the TRILLIONS this nation has spent fighting the war on poverty over the past 50 years, I can't help but wonder, what if we had put all that money into backing capitalist ventures, like creating the Internet and cell phones, and the returns on that money had been tucked away in a specified account with each poor person's name on it... they'd all be multi-billionaires by now, I would suppose. But we didn't, we dolled out a few pennies here and there, and kept crumbs on the table for them, and today in 2012... our poverty level is essentially unchanged. Your solution is more of the same.
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Nope, doesn't work that way. There were sufficient funds to re-educate many unemployed but Ron Dumsfeld decided to spend it on war instead. Recall his words, "War was an option we could afford." A country can afford a war but can't afford to feed and shelter the poor? It has nothing to do with affordability. Nothing at all.

I am financially comfortable. I don't live "well-off" because I am happier with a more simple life. I don't care to have more, I am content with what I have. Most people with my finances, would not live like me, and that's okay, I get it! I understand everyone has their own way, and that's cool. I happen to know a good many people who are driven to success, and have become wealthy here in America. That's the thing, that's the reason people come here! Because, if you have the desire and motivation to succeed, you will. From my perspective, we need to teach poor people how to become motivated and that will lead to success. One of the best motivators for any person, is a empty belly. Sorry, but that's just the facts. When you are hungry, it motivates like nothing else. Now, I am not heartless, I don't want you to mistake my philosophical point here, because I do believe we are our brother's keeper, and we have a moral obligation to provide for people who are truly in need. But we've jumped the shark on that one... we have obese people drawing welfare checks because they are too lazy to lose weight. There's a guy in NJ(I think) who believes he is an infant for half the day, and at lunch, he turns into a normal functioning adult, capable of going to the store to buy hardware so he can build a giant crib.... he draws disability. We're not "helping" anyone in need here, we are wasting and squandering hard earned money on silliness, because in your mind, you are "helping" by doing that. ...And you want to do MORE of it!
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Check out how most people live who are unemployed. Really get to know them. You'll see that's not the life they prefer. Sure, they may buy a big TV. Why? Because that's all the pleasures they can afford. No dinners out. No cinema. No going away for the weekend. No skiing vacations. No hotels on the beach.

As for the guy building a crib obviously he's mentally ill. Maybe start with a FREE aptitude test and a FREE medical check-up. If the government is going to send a check to someone every month wouldn't common sense dictate they be evaluated?
 
Again, we've been doing things YOUR way for nearly 70 years. Is the problem solved? Are we any closer than when we started? I don't think you deserve the right to lecture on policy. Especially since your idiot ass is running around talking about all the FREE stuff government can provide. You're obviously a mental child who doesn't understand the concept of money or where it comes from.

For the record, I do think people who draw disability should be evaluated. We should not be paying people to pretend to be mentally ill.
 
apple0154 said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Man, I see Dixie is still insipidly stubborn as ever.....even as Apple continuously wipes the floor with him! Oh well, I can expect nothing less since old Dix went deaf and dumb after this http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...211#post989211

I'll check back in a few days to see if anything's changed. Carry on.
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What I find peculiar about Dixie is for a man who claims to be doing so well financially he is adamantly opposed to helping others. I question if he is just a bitter individual or whether his claimed financial success is nothing more than a dream which he realizes he'll never attain.
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Over the years, Dixie's personal claims "adjust" to suit whatever pseudo-righ wing stance he's defending. Put on the spot, he seldom retains the intellectual honesty to accept the logical conclusions of his alleged beliefs and assertions. But he is entertaining to a degree, and he does give prime example to the dubious nature of the neocon mindset.
 
Dixie said:
Again, we've been doing things YOUR way for nearly 70 years. Is the problem solved? Are we any closer than when we started? I don't think you deserve the right to lecture on policy. Especially since your idiot ass is running around talking about all the FREE stuff government can provide. You're obviously a mental child who doesn't understand the concept of money or where it comes from.

For the record, I do think people who draw disability should be evaluated. We should not be paying people to pretend to be mentally ill.
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Stop BS'ing Dix....everytime you neocons can't prove a point, you repeat the lie that Democrats/Liberals have been in control of gov't for 70 years....when clearly history proves that assertion to be a lie.

Reaganomics for the last 30 years....the Shrub put it on steriods and then the GOP strong armed Obama for a 2 year extension of that...so where are the jobs, Dix? http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...211#post989211
 
Taichiliberal said:
Stop BS'ing Dix....everytime you neocons can't prove a point, you repeat the lie that Democrats/Liberals have been in control of gov't for 70 years....when clearly history proves that assertion to be a lie.
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And you prove yet again, how you can't read and comprehend at the same time. I never said Democrats controlled anything for 70 years, I said we've been doing things YOUR WAY for 70 years, and we have. For the past 70 years, we have implemented one socialist policy after another, always with the promise it would help alleviate some terrible situation, which it seldom does. Our poverty level is virtually unchanged, people are still suffering and struggling, and the only solution you know, is to do more of what ain't working. After 70 years of failure, it's time for people to stop listening to you. In fact, it's time for people to tell you to sit down and shut the fuck up, because you obviously don't know what you're doing.
 
Dixie said:
Again, we've been doing things YOUR way for nearly 70 years. Is the problem solved? Are we any closer than when we started? I don't think you deserve the right to lecture on policy. Especially since your idiot ass is running around talking about all the FREE stuff government can provide. You're obviously a mental child who doesn't understand the concept of money or where it comes from.

For the record, I do think people who draw disability should be evaluated. We should not be paying people to pretend to be mentally ill.
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No, things haven't been done MY way for 70 years. They've been done in a half-assed manner doing as little as possible for people and constantly being on the lookout for ways to disqualify people.

If you don't like the term "free" replace it with "no out of pocket". If you drive on the Interstate as opposed to a toll road is it "free"? Taxes have paid for the Interstate but there is "no out of pocket" expenses so people refer to it as free.

Talking about the lack of understanding concerning the concept of money or where it comes from where do you think it goes when there is a financial crisis? Unless aliens are taking the money it is here, on planet earth. Financial crisis are manipulated events. Human beings decide on the LIBOR rates. The Federal Reserve decides on the interest rate. A depression can occur and people can suffer when, for example, there is a crop failure or natural disaster. If the crops are growing this year the same way they grew last year and fertilizer, machinery, etc. are at comparable costs then there is no food shortage or reason for huge increases.

Look at the housing boom. For "eternity" we were told it was impossible to house everyone. We simply can't build enough houses, so we were told. Of course, we saw quite the opposite to the extent there are communities composed of over 100,000 vacant houses. Short story: we were fed bullshit. The same applies to food, clothes, etc. There is plenty for everyone. More than plenty. Shortages are man made.

It's the same thing with the cost of housing. A quick and simple solution is to increase density but the owners of huge homes on huge lots in an urban setting don't want that to happen as their property value would decrease.

Housing shortages are man made. We know plenty of homes can be built because they were. We know there is plenty of food because there hasn't been any major droughts, floods, etc. and we know there is no shortage of money because the same money that was here "yesterday" is here today. It didn't disappear. Aliens didn't take it.

Lastly, when the people turned their efforts to building those homes/communities that are currently being left to rot no one went hungry. There wasn't a shortage of food production. The wheat farmers in the heartland didn't leave their fields to build houses in Nevada or Florida or anywhere else. The point being we, as in human beings, were and are capable of building hundreds of thousands of homes while still producing plenty of food and other life's necessities. So, open your eyes and your mind. Realize there is no shortage of anything relating to the basic requirements of human beings. It's all a scam. It's all manipulation. The money is here. The resources are here. The knowledge is here. The ability is here. We know everyone can be housed just by looking at the hundreds of thousands of homes that are being left to rot. We know there is plenty of food just by looking at the crops growing. This is not rocket science. Just open your eyes and your mind.
 
Dixie said:
And you prove yet again, how you can't read and comprehend at the same time. I never said Democrats controlled anything for 70 years, I said we've been doing things YOUR WAY for 70 years, and we have. For the past 70 years, we have implemented one socialist policy after another, always with the promise it would help alleviate some terrible situation, which it seldom does. Our poverty level is virtually unchanged, people are still suffering and struggling, and the only solution you know, is to do more of what ain't working. After 70 years of failure, it's time for people to stop listening to you. In fact, it's time for people to tell you to sit down and shut the fuck up, because you obviously don't know what you're doing.
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One major problem is the programs were designed for conditions that were prevalent 70 years ago or 50 years ago. Most jobs required unskilled labor so no part of the programs addressed education. Just like it was and still is in certain jurisdictions forbidden to attend college/training courses while collecting unemployment. It's understandable that restriction was in place years ago but it's absurd today. Why support someone who is unemployed and at the same time prevent them from doing something that will increase their ability to get a job?

If a person on welfare tries to save money on rent by living with someone they are penalized. Is that what you consider "help"?

With virtually every program the "help" is given begrudgingly. Does giving with that attitude help the person? Do you think a person's "case worker" is there to ensure the person receives all the help they're entitled to or do you think the case worker is representing the government and doing all they can to limit the help? Fom what I've heard from tenants over the years (when I was a slumlord) it's the latter.

There needs to be a comprehensive program but it's so difficult to get any program passed that the ones that are passed are usually a patchwork or of a minimalist nature. That's why they're constantly being added to and never work correctly. The average Conservative tells us human beings love freedom and it's natural for them to strive to better themselves and incentive shouldn't be stifled but the way government "help" programs are designed they go against all those things. The people who oppose a little leeway are so afraid someone is going to get something for nothing. If sharing a dwelling saves on rent the welfare office cuts benefits.

Then there's food stamps. As I mentioned before suburban and rural folks may be able to get food cheaper directly from a farm or roadside stand that doesn't accept food stamps. Give the people the money and let them find the best way to use it. Some people will benefit from food savings. Others from housing (shared accomodation). Still others from perhaps knowing someone who works for a charity where used clothes are donated.

The idea being let each one use their incentive and offer help in the spirit it should be offered as opposed to demeaning them and looking for ways to cut the help. Then you can say things were done "YOUR WAY".
 
Dixie said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Stop BS'ing Dix....everytime you neocons can't prove a point, you repeat the lie that Democrats/Liberals have been in control of gov't for 70 years....when clearly history proves that assertion to be a lie.
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And you prove yet again, how you can't read and comprehend at the same time. I never said Democrats controlled anything for 70 years, I said we've been doing things YOUR WAY for 70 years, and we have. For the past 70 years, we have implemented one socialist policy after another, always with the promise it would help alleviate some terrible situation, which it seldom does. Our poverty level is virtually unchanged, people are still suffering and struggling, and the only solution you know, is to do more of what ain't working. After 70 years of failure, it's time for people to stop listening to you. In fact, it's time for people to tell you to sit down and shut the fuck up, because you obviously don't know what you're doing.
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You're still the intellecutal coward, ehh Dixie? You can NEVER fully own up to being wrong.

If we've been doing things MY way for 70 years (and that's 20 years older than I am), then idiocy like Vietnam wouldn't have happened, Nixon wouldn't have been elected, nor Reagan, nor the Bush crime family, and there wouldn't have been the need for the 1968 March on Washington because we would have had a gov't that made sure ALL citizens equal rights were protected. That's just for starters. The New Deal SAVED this country's ass, and stupid neocon flunkies like YOU, who BENEFIT from those reforms every single day of your life, are too proudly dumb and stubborn to acknowledge such.

But that has NOT been the case, has it bunky. So once again, your Dixie dumb ass is just blowing smoke...
what you can't refute, you avoid:
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ll-in-the-dark-on-Obama&p=1047557#post1047557


30 years of Reaganomics....where are the jobs, dixie?
 
Taichiliberal said:
You're still the intellecutal coward, ehh Dixie? You can NEVER fully own up to being wrong.

If we've been doing things MY way for 70 years (and that's 20 years older than I am), then idiocy like Vietnam wouldn't have happened, Nixon wouldn't have been elected, nor Reagan, nor the Bush crime family, and there wouldn't have been the need for the 1968 March on Washington because we would have had a gov't that made sure ALL citizens equal rights were protected. That's just for starters. The New Deal SAVED this country's ass, and stupid neocon flunkies like YOU, who BENEFIT from those reforms every single day of your life, are too proudly dumb and stubborn to acknowledge such.

But that has NOT been the case, has it bunky. So once again, your Dixie dumb ass is just blowing smoke...
what you can't refute, you avoid:
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ll-in-the-dark-on-Obama&p=1047557#post1047557


30 years of Reaganomics....where are the jobs, dixie?
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Where does Dixie get the gall to say things were done "your way" when every social program was picked apart and opposed from day one and are still being opposed. SS, for example. He and others talk about diluting and/or privatizing SS when SS was private since the beginning of time! It's because private didn't work that the government had to step in.

It's no wonder Obama told the Repubs not to come to the table with tired, worn out ideas. Everything was private before the government took it over. Some folks talk as if programs have always been government run and say, "Let's try to privatize part of it. Let's let free enterprise look after part or all of it, whatever "it" may be. It's like they have no knowledge of history.

Private, free enterprise, capitalism, left to ones own devices....whatever term they want to use....had literally thousands of years to come up with something and it failed miserably but they keep on repeating it. :palm:
 
apple0154 said:
Where does Dixie get the gall to say things were done "your way" when every social program was picked apart and opposed from day one and are still being opposed. SS, for example. He and others talk about diluting and/or privatizing SS when SS was private since the beginning of time! It's because private didn't work that the government had to step in.

It's no wonder Obama told the Repubs not to come to the table with tired, worn out ideas. Everything was private before the government took it over. Some folks talk as if programs have always been government run and say, "Let's try to privatize part of it. Let's let free enterprise look after part or all of it, whatever "it" may be. It's like they have no knowledge of history.

Private, free enterprise, capitalism, left to ones own devices....whatever term they want to use....had literally thousands of years to come up with something and it failed miserably but they keep on repeating it. :palm:
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For the same reason most righties don't believe in evolution.

Because they do not evolve.
 
You see, this is one of the reasons following Socialists never works. It simply doesn't matter how big of a failure it is, they always claim it failed because we didn't pour enough money into it, not because the idea itself was a failure. This defense enables them to support virtually ANY idiotic idea, and once implemented, if it succeeds (which it rarely has) they claim brilliance, and if it fails (most likely), it's all the opposition's fault that it wasn't funded enough.

Through the years, Democrats have enjoyed far more supermajorities in Congress than Republicans, and at any one of those times, could have funded as much as they pleased, and Republicans couldn't have stopped them. And in fact, that is precisely what Democrats have done. Despite this fact, the socialistic ideas have still failed, and we still hear the same complaints about it not being funded well enough. We can implement the ideas, do exactly as they want, we can give them full control over Congress, give them funding out the wazoo, and they can continue these policies for 70 years, dumping trillions and trillions into them, then Democrats can look you straight in the eye and claim we haven't done enough.
 
I'm Dixie and I apologize. Conservatives are wrong, Obama is a great president, and the south deserved to lose the Civil War. I am ashamed of my southern heritage, and for the south continually choosing to shame itself over the years by voting against everything good that could possibly happen for the country. Socialism always works, and is the future.
 
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