Some are still in the dark on Obama

apple0154 said:
Poor Dix. One can't help but sympathize with the mentally challenged chap. He doesn't understand Socialism and he doesn't remember what he has written and he....well, let's just say he's "special".
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We all know you understand Socialism, apple. In fact, one might say that you are quite intimate with it. ;)
 
\\\||///, you can keep plugging my threads all you like, I love getting the attention and publicity, but I think some of your pinhead followers might be wondering what the purpose of this is. Now, I don't really care why myself, I am enjoying every second of it, and it doesn't matter what the purpose is, but others here might be wondering why you've turned into such a Dixie fan. Care to explain for them?
 
Keep going! Pretty soon you'll get to the thread I posted yesterday, where I stated correctly, that Romney is the only man on the planet who can defeat Obama in November. As true and poignant as that statement is today, it can't be retroactively applied to 6 months ago, it wasn't true then. If your only point is to show I have supported other people besides Romney through the primaries, please continue to do that! I want it clearly understood by everyone, that Mitt Romney wasn't my first, second, third, fourth, fifth or sixth choice.... but he is my choice over Obama.
 
Dixie said:
No, the government took control of 60% of GM stock, fired the CEO and replaced him with who they wanted to run the company. Sounds an awful lot like they took over the company, to me.
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So, according to your logic when eBay bought PayPal does that mean the people who received the money can pay back eBay and get the company back?

Again, government passed legislation several years ago, which puts nearly every aspect of American's health care in the hands of government. If you want to play semantics games, that's fine... Marxist Socialists are NEVER honest about their socialist policies.
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Casinos are run by rules. Does them mean the government owns all the casinos? Governments make rules concerning cars for both manufacturers and owners. Does that mean the government owns your car?

I never said the EPA and IRS take over industries. I stated that they CONTROL them with various regulations and mandates. Switching the conversation to discuss matters of local public health, which can be (an usually are) dealt with by local officials, is not helping you to refute any point I have made.
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We all live by rules. Because there are speed limits does that mean the government controls you? Because you can’t throw your garbage on the street does that mean the government controls you?

Honestly, Dix. You don’t make any sense. You have an irrational fear and you should try to find out the cause.

Okay, so you are trying now to prove that socialists are not instigating class warfare socialist strategy by parroting more class warfare rhetoric? That's a strange take, I must say!
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No class warfare. Just ensuring fairness.

The "wealthy" don't pay less income tax on capital gains. They pay the exact same rate as you and I pay on capital gains. All money should be taxed the same? What about money received by welfare recipients? What about the incomes of 48% of America who are currently not paying ANY income tax? Class warfare is a tool used by Marxists to implement socialist policy. Plain and simple!
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And who is more likely to earn money from capital gains? Let’s suppose the tax system was changed so people who earn money from low-paying, manual labor jobs paid a lower percentage than people who earned money from high paying white collar jobs. That would even be more fair. After all, anyone could get a low-paying, manual labor job. Not everyone is capable of investing and realizing capital gains. Would you consider that fair?

Yes, Democrat Marxist Socialists have been hard at work for many decades in this country, implementing Marxist Socialist policies, so it is no surprise a lot of our current system follows the Marxist Socialist model. This is not a reason to continue on the path to Communism. Sorry!
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Sorry, indeed. Perhaps you can point out which of the following countries are currently Communist. You’ll notice the date they implemented government medical.

Norway….1912
New Zealand….1938
Japan….1938
Germany….1941
Belgium….1945
United Kingdom….1948

Now, I know Communism is a creeping critter to you but 100 years and the Norwegians are still waiting. Seventy-five years for the New Zealanders. Also, when would you say government medical has proven itself? Certain folks, yourself included, keep saying government medical is not viable and point to countries which complain about medical costs. When would you say government medical has proven itself? After 25 years? 50 years? 100 years? A millennium?

No, because they do not have a Constitution or Constitutional rights protected by said Constitution, and no authority to enforce breaches to those non-existent rights. Therefore, any 'appearances' of free-market capitalism are mere illusions for show, so that nit wits like yourself, can run around the message boards pointing to them as 'examples' when they really aren't. China and Russia (there is no USSR anymore) are Communist countries, the government has full control over the people and businesses, and they ultimately call all the shots.
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So, unless a country has a Constitution it can never be a capitalist country?

As for nit-wits pointing out examples if one can point to government medical or public transport and claim a country is Communist why can’t nit-wits point out an example of private business and claim Capitalism? If a country requires a Constitution in order to be considered Capitalist wouldn’t the opposite apply and countries require a Communist manifesto or Communist Constitution to be considered Communist? Do you ever think things through before posting? Do you ever think, period?

Capitalism doesn't fail, it has NEVER failed, any time it has ever been tried or attempted. It ALWAYS succeeds! The US, up until Obamacare, had the BEST health care system in the entire world. No other health care system has come anywhere close in terms of research, technical advancement, ground-breaking procedures, finding cures, developing vaccines, or treating the indigent. NOTHING the government can ever do, will eliminate all pain and suffering for all people.... just doesn't happen in OUR universe... only in Liberal Utopia, and we can't afford that.
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So, having 45,000 people dying each year due to a lack of medical insurance, in the richest country in the world, is success? If the health care system is so good why do the citizens in countries with government plans live as long as or longer than in the US? Or is living and health care two different things in your world?

Do you consider having a private health care facility with expensive wall hangings and landscaped grounds where people die at 78 considered superior to an inner city health care facility where the patients live to be 80?

You really must educate yourself on this, Dixie, even if it’s just for your own peace of mind.
 
Dixie said:
Poor apple, too fucking clueless to even comprehend what point \\||/// FAILED at making with his links. You see, in another thread, I said that Mitt Romney was the only man on the face of the planet who could legitimately prevent Obama from serving another 4 years. So now, bird-brains has dug up a bunch of threads where I supported and endorsed Herman Cain in the primaries. As if, that somehow proves that I have contradicted myself. At the time I supported Cain, there were 9 people who could have possibly ran against Obama, that is not the case today. So it doesn't matter who I endorsed months ago, or who could have possibly won the nomination back then, my statement is still true.
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What you're too dull to understand is we've watched you support candidates as, one by one, they dropped out. Your support for Mitt is due to you not having any other option. That is the comical, albeit pathetic, part of it all. Your irrational fear of socialism has caused you to support any candidate opposing Obama without carefully evaluating the individual. That, in many cases, leads to disaster.

Remember the old saying, "One gets the government they deserve." Or that other saying, "Have sex in a hurry. Regret in leisure." :(
 
Granule said:
We all know you understand Socialism, apple. In fact, one might say that you are quite intimate with it. ;)
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Intimate with social programs, yes. As far as "means of production", the cornerstone of anything worthy to be called Socialism, the government didn't make my TV or car or....actually, I can't think of anything I have which the government made.......Oops, I forgot automobile insurance. I have lived in jurisdictions with and without government auto insurance and I can tell you government auto insurance is a LOT cheaper. Not $50 or $100 cheaper. A LOT cheaper. Like half price. And when injured there is no need for a lawyer. Government auto insurance along with government medical resulted in my three month hospital stay costing absolutely nothing out of pocket. Zero. Nada. Zilch. And when I returned home a nurse came by to check on me. We sat on the deck at my home and enjoyed a coffee and conversation. Even asked if I required someone to help with the housework.

I suppose that's why I have little patience with opponents of government medical. They really don't have a clue what it's like.
 
 
Dixie said:
Keep going! Pretty soon you'll get to the thread I posted yesterday, where I stated correctly, that Romney is the only man on the planet who can defeat Obama in November. As true and poignant as that statement is today, it can't be retroactively applied to 6 months ago, it wasn't true then. If your only point is to show I have supported other people besides Romney through the primaries, please continue to do that! I want it clearly understood by everyone, that Mitt Romney wasn't my first, second, third, fourth, fifth or sixth choice.... but he is my choice over Obama.
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I think the whole primary fiasco has been cathartic for you. Just as you've watched your 5 or 6 previous choices bite the dust you'll be OK when Romney experiences an humiliating defeat. You'll come through this just fine, Dix. :good4u:
 
Wow Apple, all of that bloviating and you never did answer me.

You stated: "Why does it make any difference from where a person gets money? Income is money coming in. All money should be taxed the same. "

Should the 48% who pay no income tax, be taxed the same too?
Should welfare recipients be taxed the same?

or... Did you misspeak?
 
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