Some disgusting faggot on the defense budget bought the sig p320

[LichGold]

This is seriously something for which sig should be destroyed and public officials should be damned to the depth of chino for the rest of their lives.

The public demands answers for why anyone should be sent to war with critically malfunctioning trash. This is literally treason with or without espionage.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

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This is seriously something for which sig should be destroyed and public officials should be damned to the depth of chino for the rest of their lives.

The public demands answers for why anyone should be sent to war with critically malfunctioning trash. This is literally treason with or without espionage.

Better or worse than the Ruger 9mm? That thing is a POS too. One year during a pistol qualification, the magazine release disintegrated as I tried to swap mags for example. Just a poor quality build.

 

[LichGold]

Fallacy, the m16 is an unreliable hunk of shit, that in no way borders on the treason of this p320.

Dropping your mag in no way compares to this.

You don't even need the trigger to fire this trash. Someone thought that was a selling point?

 

[LichGold]

View: https://youtu.be/ssNFf_bMjf8

 

[Lionfish]

The prime reason the P320 was chosen was the interchangeably between fire control unit with a wide number of frame sizes making the gun very versatile. The concept was a good one. Sig has yet to admit responsability. I allow them on the range but only loaded at the line and no holster drawing. The P320 scares the shit out of me. Most agencies we deal with still carry Glocks.
That said, I carry one of two Sig P365's on a daily basis. They have been flawless and have had no safety issues.

 

[LichGold]

The prime reason the P320 was chosen was the interchangeably between fire control unit with a wide number of frame sizes making the gun very versatile. The concept was a good one. Sig has yet to admit responsability. I allow them on the range but only loaded at the line and no holster drawing. The P320 scares the shit out of me. Most agencies we deal with still carry Glocks.
That said, I carry one of two Sig P365's on a daily basis. They have been flawless and have had no safety issues.

That's all well and good but the way sig has processed this dispute demands the company be ripped to shreds with extreme prejudice. At no fking time should a perfectly legitimate concern be processed with Israeli tactics. Actually literally sueing people that spoke up constitutes premeditated defrauding the people and putting everyone at risk. Their ceo should be made an example of and drafted as a circus clown railgun test pilot. I demand he be used to test penetration depth in ballistic concrete.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Fallacy, the m16 is an unreliable hunk of shit, that in no way borders on the treason of this p320.

Dropping your mag in no way compares to this.

You don't even need the trigger to fire this trash. Someone thought that was a selling point?

Unreliable? I've fired a ton of rounds with an M16 over the years and I think I can only recall one or two times where I had a minor jam that was easily cleared. That said, I dislike the M16 because I find it uncomfortable to fire and a disorganized design as a firearm.

 

[LichGold]

Unreliable? I've fired a ton of rounds with an M16 over the years and I think I can only recall one or two times where I had a minor jam that was easily cleared. That said, I dislike the M16 because I find it uncomfortable to fire and a disorganized design as a firearm.

You're a goddamned liar bro. Nuff said.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You're a goddamned liar bro. Nuff said.

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I've used M16A1, A2, and A3. I used the full auto A1's when assigned to MIUW 106 and the A3 with NSA Bahrain. That's the 3-round burst version.

I've used both the A2 and A3 in qualification. 27 years in the Navy was more than enough time to get assigned to some units ashore that use them. Shipboard, on steel deck picnics the MarDet usually would let you try their 16's out over the fantail along with shooting skeet with (usually) Remington 870 12 ga.

 

[LichGold]

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I've used M16A1, A2, and A3. I used the full auto A1's when assigned to MIUW 106 and the A3 with NSA Bahrain. That's the 3-round burst version.

I've used both the A2 and A3 in qualification. 27 years in the Navy was more than enough time to get assigned to some units ashore that use them. Shipboard, on steel deck picnics the MarDet usually would let you try their 16's out over the fantail along with shooting skeet with (usually) Remington 870 12 ga.

I've had enough m16s to know you're completely full of shit. Completely worthless piece if trash. Everyone in nam and ever mass shooter who was ever overrun, were overrun because their shit m16 jammed. "The weapon that could never be clean enough."

Is the money that good bro? Why are you completely whorish for unreliable trash like the m16 AND the p320?

Take your own lieutenant ass down to the front lines with your worthless garbage. You'll never convince me any of the m16s I've ever witnessed were ever servicable gear.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I've had enough m16s to know you're completely full of shit. Completely worthless piece if trash. Everyone in nam and ever mass shooter who was ever overrun, were overrun because their shit m16 jammed. "The weapon that could never be clean enough."

That was Vietnam at first when the US Army insisted on ball powder that fouled the weapon. That has long since been rectified. The 16 is reliable, but I find it uncomfortable to shoot, particularly with the collapsing stock.

THE M16 IN VIETNAM - Small Arms Review

By Christopher R. Bartocci

smallarmsreview.com

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/March-April-2022/Durham/

Why did the M16 fail in Vietnam?

The harsh jungle climate corroded the rifle's chamber, exacerbated by the manufacturer's decision against chrome-plating the chamber. The ammunition that accompanied

www.vintageisthenewold.com

The Army Ordinance Department insisted on the powder change and that was the entirety of the problem. It isn't the first time the Ordinance Department screwed the troops with a shit small arm that they insisted was "the best." It won't be the last. They were forced to switch to stick powders the 16 originally used and the problem was solved.

Is the money that good bro? Why are you completely whorish for unreliable trash like the m16 AND the p320?

The 16 is just not what I'd choose. The P320 I don't have experience with.

Take your own lieutenant ass down to the front lines with your worthless garbage. You'll never convince me any of the m16s I've ever witnessed were ever servicable gear.

I was a Chief in the Navy. I don't care what your amateur, ill-informed opinion on the weapon is. It sounds to me like you've never even held one in your hands.

 

[RB 60]

Don't get much better...

 

[LichGold]

at first

See right here is where i knew for a fact you're a damned liar whore. What kind of powder do you think they use right up untill the end of the m16's service?

BALL

You're literally just puking from whore articles. Stfu stooge.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

See right here is where i knew for a fact you're a damned liar whore. What kind of powder do you think they use right up untill the end of the m16's service?

BALL

You're literally just puking from whore articles. Stfu stooge.

The M16 is still in service today. While it isn't in frontline service it still is used in secondary roles. That's why I got issued various models of it in the Navy. It still remains obvious you've never held one, let alone fired one.

 

[LichGold]

Don't get much better...

Gets lots and lots better. Needs sturdy ammo tho. Yanks the shells off the bullet in mid air.

 

[RB 60]

Gets lots and lots better. Needs sturdy ammo tho. Yanks the shells off the bullet in mid air.
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Impossible. No reliable firearm will fire without the primer being struck.

 

[LichGold]

Impossible. No reliable firearm will fire without the primer being struck.

The problem with the primer being struck comes when the p320 doesn't need the trigger to do it.

This bond arms bullpup is a completely different topic. It's 2 extra inches of barrel but like i said, it needs sturdy ammo. Yanks shells right off the bullets, just like i said. Simple fix with ribbed bullets and superglue or just really nice ammo. But still far better than that old thing you posted.

 

[RB 60]

The problem with the primer being struck comes when the p320 doesn't need the trigger to do it.

This bond arms bullpup is a completely different topic. It's 2 extra inches of barrel but like i said, it needs sturdy ammo. Yanks shells right iff the bullets just like i said. Simple fix with ribbed bullets and superglue or just really nice ammo. But still far better than old thing you posted.

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I own a gov't 1911 and have had only one or 2 jams in the hundreds and hundreds of rounds sent through it.
I have both gov't ball ammo and handloads. The handloads were the only ones that jammed.

 

[LichGold]

I own a gov't 1911 and have had only one or 2 jams in the hundreds and hundreds of rounds sent through it.
I have both gov't ball ammo and handloads. The handloads were the only ones that jammed.

But you're missing the point, there's no reason it couldn't have 2 more inches of barrel, more power, more accuracy, less muzzle flash, better ballistics. Bond arms brand name.

 

[Walt]

Everyone in nam and ever mass shooter who was ever overrun, were overrun because their shit m16 jammed. "The weapon that could never be clean enough."

You could always go with an AK-74. It has a similar caliber to the M16, but the design of an AK-47. They jam, like almost any gun, but are famous for not having to be kept clean. There are many countries that make guns similar to the AK-74, so you can end up with a product of Western industrial processes.