And how are we supposed to have an industrial revolution when we continue to gut the horse drawn carriage sector?
We will not expand our economy when we are shackled to oil technology.
Someone explain this to me
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And how are we supposed to have an industrial revolution when we continue to gut the horse drawn carriage sector?
We will not expand our economy when we are shackled to oil technology.
You aren't. Such programs would turn the recession into a depression in exactly the same way FDR's programs did.
Enforced worship in the Church of Green or the Church of Global Warming is not rebuilding or even maintaining the infrastructure. Try to stay on topic, at least for a few posts.
They are already taxed.
Naturally, you keep wandering off subject yet again.
Biden promised to raise taxes. I figure he's honest about that.
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Wrong everywhere. Give it up.
Random number. There are zero jobs in fossil fuels. There is no fossil fuel industry. Fossils don't burn. We don't use them for fuel.
Another random number. Both oil and natural gas are renewable fuels. Hydroelectric power is renewable energy. Piddle power like windmills and solar won't cut it.
Another random number. Coal is cheap and reliable. It is still used extensively today. We do not know of coal is a renewable fuel, but there certain is plenty of it.
There is no such thing a fossil fuel. Fossils don't burn. We don't use them for fuel.
Most homes today in the United States are heated with natural gas, oil, or electricity from plants fired from oil, natural gas, coal, or from hydroelectric power. Most cars and trucks use oil products for fuel. So do most aircraft and ships.
You have something against disposable income??
No. Printing money without an increase in wealth only cheapens the money, making it worth less than it was before. That's called inflation. Continuing this loop causes a cash crash.
No. Solar panels are difficult to maintain, have a limited life span, and are expensive.
No. Electric cars take too long to refuel, making them impractical for long distance travel. Gasoline and diesel cars and trucks take only a few minutes to refuel, making them ideal for cross country travel.
Feudalism. Everyone that has a will to, rich or poor, is what builds America.
There are more green jobs than fossil fuel jobs in this country.
COVID dropping the global demand for oil is what will kill fossil fuel companies...and it's all thanks to you.
Oh really? What are you gonna do? Go on a killing spree because your vehicle emission standards were raised?
We currently have low energy costs because COVID reduced global demand.
That is what kills jobs...lack of demand. And those jobs were killed by a lack of demand thanks 100%, entirely and completely, to you.
Biden has said he will raise taxes.
We have to raise taxes to fix all the things you screwed up because you made poor choices.
90% of all stock in this country is owned by just 10% of people.
You killed 40 million jobs, so you have no real reason to be in this conversation. Take a seat.
You're in a cult.
The world economy has collapsed(the Democrats do not run the world), and America has been frozen out of any planning for rebuilding(trump's fault). That is not going away. We are not going to magically get back the Obama low unemployment economy. We need to work hard to get back there.
Let's see...
On what basis do you claim that "instituting Green stuff" will gut the energy sector? Changing the source of energy is not gutting the energy sector. Is the US still in recession because we no longer heat homes with coal? Is the US in recession because we no longer use whale oil to light street lights? Changing the energy source to a different source could actually grow the economy since it is all about efficiencies and cost. There is an upfront cost to change over but once the change is made it can free up money over the long term. The upfront cost is easily paid for by borrowing against the long term savings.
By changing an energy source you are actually stimulating the economy since money will be spent to make those changes. At the same time you are growing the future economy since you are increasing future productivity and reducing possible future costs of not changing over.
"raising taxes at the same time" - this is a meaningless statement since it ignores that tax increases are usually targeted. Taxing those that aren't contributing to growth doesn't cause the recession to deepen. What affects recessions more is spending. Here is a simplistic answer for you simplistic question. Tomorrow, I decree that everyone has to pay an extra $1000 in tax per person and then also decree that the government will give everyone $2000 does that help or hurt the economy. I raised taxes and under your simple minded argument is must hurt the economy.
Where you are wrong is that you have simply asked a loaded question without considering any of the nuance required for economic growth.
You started this thread with "Someone explain to me."
I think what you really meant is "I have my mind made up on some wrongheaded, outdated trickle-down economic analysis, and I want it confirmed, or I'll throw a temper tantrum."
This is quite true. Most solar panels are made using coal as the electrical source for that industry, as these panels come from China or Thailand. Batteries are made pretty much everywhere. Japan makes most of the carbon batteries (like the common AA cell). That industry is fired by coal, oil, and nuclear power. Here in the United States we have a large industry that makes lead acid cells. The lead, lead oxides, sulfur, plastics, and water are all plentiful here. These use coal, oil, and natural gas as power sources for their industries. Those operating in the west make more use of hydroelectric or nuclear power. Lithium oxide cells require extensive strip mining of lithium ore, which is done primarily in Mexico, Nevada, and Australia. The the ore is smelted and the batteries themselves are assembled in Japan or the United States, again using power sources to operate those industries. Metallic lithium batteries are not rechargeable and are dangerous to handle, but they are useful for certain applications. The lithium oxide battery is what many people today call a 'lithium battery'.
All batteries must be charged in some way.
Carbon batteries are charged by smelting differing metals and materials, and combining them into a one use battery.
Lead acid cells are charged from current provided by a power plant, and later, possibly a car alternator, which requires gasoline or diesel fuel to run it.
Lithium batteries are charged primarily from power plants. They can be charged from solar cells, but that is an expensive way to charge them.
Batteries are not free energy. They are like buckets. You store electrons under pressure (voltage) in them.
TANSTAAFL
Ole' Jack seems to think that solar power is capable of infinite wattage for free, just because it's 'green'.
Far from the truth. Solar power is among the most expensive methods of producing power that there is. It's piddle power.
He also thinks that the electric car is practical for all uses.
Far from the truth. Electric cars require a long time to refuel, and provide no better range than a typical gasoline car on a full tank of gasoline. A gasoline car can be refueled in minutes at any convenient gas station, while the electric car requires 8-10 hours to recharge it's battery sufficient for another such performance.
Electric cars are also rather expensive.
That said, the electric car can be a practical commuter car, and many of these also perform well in the snow, since each wheel has it's own traction motor that is computer controlled in many designs.
They are also extremely quiet...even dangerously so. Pedestrians, already distracted by cell phones, or those who do not see well, do not always realize one of these things is coming. Some electric cars actually have speakers making 'vroom' noises to alert pedestrians nearby.
you should look at Europe and their Green economy..
Germany is a mess , even though they just built Nordstream 2
After November, a lot of Democrats.