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[Bfgrn]

No, they can't.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/04/robert-farago/exploiting-the-gun-show-loophole-or-not/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/the-truth-about-the-gun-show-loophole/

http://davekopel.org/2A/IB/the-truth-about-gun-shows.html

"The only way to “close” the loophole would be to end all private sales. Nothing stops an individual from buying a gun in the parking lot of a gun show, or at someone’s house. Thus the loophole the media, and politicians, speak about isn’t really tied to gun shows exactly, it is private sales."

You don't know what you are talking about. Your article are all bogus. The first guy went to a show that requires membership to buy and that membership involves a background check. The other two are obfuscation and word parsing.

From the third article you posted:

Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license required of gun dealers or to call the CBI before completing the sale.

'people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms' do NOT sell 348 guns in less than a year like a 'private seller' private investigators uncovered. And EVEN a private seller is required by law to turn away anyone they suspect of being a criminal, YET, 19 out of 30 private sellers made the sale AFTER being told by an investigator posing as a buyer they they "probably couldn't pass a background check"

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

You don't know what you are talking about. Your article are all bogus. The first guy went to a show that requires membership to buy and that membership involves a background check. The other two are obfuscation and word parsing.

From the third article you posted:

Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license required of gun dealers or to call the CBI before completing the sale.

'people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms' do NOT sell 348 guns in less than a year like a 'private seller' private investigators uncovered. And EVEN a private seller is required by law to turn away anyone they suspect of being a criminal, YET, 19 out of 30 private sellers made the sale AFTER being told by an investigator posing as a buyer they they "probably couldn't pass a background check"

So in other words those guys IGNORED the law. Well damn, making it stricter will work.

 

[Don Quixote]

Because the method proposed essentially eliminates private sales and would require a national registry to work.

there is already a national do not sell to database, unfortunately, some law enforcement organizations do not have the funds to keep it up to date

just out of curiosity, do you want felons and the mentally ill to be able to purchase firearms?

 

[Bfgrn]

So in other words those guys IGNORED the law. Well damn, making it stricter will work.

Yes it will work. Because it would be closing the gun show loophole. Will it stop all, no. But when you see how bold these so called 'private dealers' operate (watch the undercover videos) they have their spiel down pat. They KNOW when someone wants to avoid a background check and they immediately reassure the buyer that all they need is the $$$$$$$ and to see an ID.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

You are parsing words, and trying to dismiss what he is saying. 99% of what he said is true. Anyone, including terrorists, murderers, felons and wife beaters can 'go down to a gun show' and come away with any legal weapon including semi-automatic assault rifles without a background check.

They can also go buy the ingredients for bombs without any restrictions whatsoever.

He basically made 3 points in what he said. 1) That weapons could be purchased without background checks 2) That fully automatic weapons could be purchased 3) that solo jihads were easily equipped.

2/3 of it was accurate, but hardly 99%.

Also, as I challenged before, please show where I have tried to protect terrorists, murderers, felons and wife beaters.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

That's what dead human beings become...fertilizer.

Dead anything becomes fertilizer. That does not justify the outright lying done by that information.

I certainly hope that the stuff Ivan posted was a spoof of the Brady Campaign.

 

[Howey]

Wow, so much misinformation it is difficult to know where to start. The description of the Remington 700 is nothing but propaganda and lies. The description of the Ruger Mini14 as a sniper rifle is laughable to anyone who ever owned one.

Too much bullshit to be anything but a source of fertilizer.

Then why is the Ruger being called a sniper rifle?

http://www.armslist.com/posts/10120...pre-ban-asi-ruger-mini-14-custom-sniper-rifle

I had this Mini-14 build off a stripped Pre-Ban receiver. It features a Accuracy Systems Inc. 16"x0.9" threaded barrel with muzzle break. You have to look real close to see the seam. The barrel is 0.9" all the way through the custom ASI gas block. Troy MCS rifle chassis customized to fit ASI gas-block and .9" barrel. Sopmod butt-stock, 7075 al buffer tube. I have a rail that can mount to the bottom of the gas block. This gun is incredibly accurate and reliable. I've only used handloads 53-55gr. I've dropped deer in their tracks at 110 and 250 yards. Price is OBO

and just to prove another point...read the disclaimer that pops up.

Oh. This is interesting!

http://www.armslist.com/info/faqs

 

[IVAN CHESNOKOV]

 

[Don Quixote]

They can also go buy the ingredients for bombs without any restrictions whatsoever.

He basically made 3 points in what he said. 1) That weapons could be purchased without background checks 2) That fully automatic weapons could be purchased 3) that solo jihads were easily equipped.

2/3 of it was accurate, but hardly 99%.

Also, as I challenged before, please show where I have tried to protect terrorists, murderers, felons and wife beaters.

bomb making ingredients are a little harder to come by and are increasingly difficult to get

however, with access to the internet and sufficient skills (mainly patience and dexterity) you can make things that go boom when you want them to

not big booms so much as sufficient booms with shrapnel, enough to kill and maim wherever there is a crowd

the 99% was over the top, but kits to convert semiautomatics to fully automatics abound, however, fully automatic weapons are difficult to control without training and practice

 

[Don Quixote]

i think that they had people like you in mind when they wrote it

 

[IVAN CHESNOKOV]

i think that they had people like you in mind when they wrote it

IVAN IS ONLY SPEAKING TRUTH! IS PERFECTLY REASONABLE. IS POWER OF STATE TO PROTECT OTHERS FROM HARM NO?

 

[Don Quixote]

not when it concerns freedom of expression/speech

fyi, 'pornography' was invented well before 200BCE and was around during the revolutionary war

besides, what is pornographic

also, if you do not like it then do not search it out

besides, our constitution is supposed to protect citizens (mainly adults) (parents are responsible for what their minor children seek out) from people like you..or at least what you espouse

 

[Howey]

not when it concerns freedom of expression/speech

fyi, 'pornography' was invented well before 200BCE and was around during the revolutionary war

besides, what is pornographic

also, if you do not like it then do not search it out

besides, our constitution is supposed to protect citizens (mainly adults) (parents are responsible for what their minor children seek out) from people like you..or at least what you espouse

I'll never forget visiting Pompeii and seeing a 6" tall ancient statue with an enormous penis.

And now I can imagine ILA and USF booking flights to Naples.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Then why is the Ruger being called a sniper rifle?

http://www.armslist.com/posts/10120...pre-ban-asi-ruger-mini-14-custom-sniper-rifle



and just to prove another point...read the disclaimer that pops up.

Oh. This is interesting!

http://www.armslist.com/info/faqs

I have owned 2 Mini-14s, and neither of them was particularly accurate. In fact, until a year or two ago, Ruger Mini-14s were typically criticized for their lack of accuracy. A "sniper rifle" would be capable of sub-MOA accuracy. While the Mini-14 was a solid rifle and able to withstand abuse, it was not even close to being capable of MOA accuracy.

Also, whomever is hunting deer with the Mini-14 is breaking the law. I don't know anywhere that the .223 round is legal for hunting deer.

 

[IVAN CHESNOKOV]

not when it concerns freedom of expression/speech

fyi, 'pornography' was invented well before 200BCE and was around during the revolutionary war

besides, what is pornographic

also, if you do not like it then do not search it out

besides, our constitution is supposed to protect citizens (mainly adults) (parents are responsible for what their minor children seek out) from people like you..or at least what you espouse

HOW IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER FREEDOM THAT STATE GIVE? RIGHTS COME FROM STATE, IS THEREFORE DUTY OF STATE TO REGULATE.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Then why is the Ruger being called a sniper rifle?

http://www.armslist.com/posts/10120...pre-ban-asi-ruger-mini-14-custom-sniper-rifle

A customized Mini-14 for $2,500??? The standard Mini-14 carries a suggested retail of $900, with the mores specialized Target model going for $1,100. That it took at least $1,400 in modifications to make it an accurate arm speaks volumes. And does somewhat prove my point concerning this rifle.

And I am a huge fan of the Ruger brand.

 

[Steelplate]

I have owned 2 Mini-14s, and neither of them was particularly accurate. In fact, until a year or two ago, Ruger Mini-14s were typically criticized for their lack of accuracy. A "sniper rifle" would be capable of sub-MOA accuracy. While the Mini-14 was a solid rifle and able to withstand abuse, it was not even close to being capable of MOA accuracy.

Also, whomever is hunting deer with the Mini-14 is breaking the law. I don't know anywhere that the .223 round is legal for hunting deer.

You can hunt deer in Pennsylvania with a .223 round....it just can't be in a semiautomatic rifle. in PA, semi autos are illegal to hunt with....except for shotguns for small game and birds.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

You can hunt deer in Pennsylvania with a .223 round....it just can't be in a semiautomatic rifle. in PA, semi autos are illegal to hunt with....except for shotguns for small game and birds.

Really? They allow a .22 centerfire round to be used on deer? I had not heard of that.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

The nonsense posted in the stuff ivan gave us is ridiculous. The Remington 700 is a hunting rifle. The attempt to say the wood stock was added to evade x-ray detection is laughable. The description of the Mossberg 500 is hilarious. The idea that the Mini-14 is a "sniper rifle" is even more ridiculous.

In all, the volume of misinformation (at best, at worst outright lies) in those pages is amazing.

If that is their source of information, then it is no wonder the uneducated masses want more gun control.

 

[Steelplate]

Really? They allow a .22 centerfire round to be used on deer? I had not heard of that.

Yep...I don't with something that small. I have a .270, and I use the 150gr bullets. A lot of people in PA use a .30 caliber... either an 06 or the 30/30 is also popular. We have a lot of brush...so the larger caliber and heavier projectile tends to be preferred... even my .270 is a little light...but I thought it a good compromise when I bought it in case I'd ever go out West for a hunting trip....plus, it's a good varmint rifle.