sure the feds will leave simple user/growers alone in legal states....

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120926/ARTICLES/120929653/1033/news?p=all&tc=pgall


Dozens of combat-clad police officers, deputies and federal agents swarmed a southwest Santa Rosa neighborhood Wednesday morning in the region's largest-ever operation against residential marijuana gardens.

A team of 150 law enforcement officers raided 32 homes off Moorland Avenue immediately south of the Corby Auto Mall, where the pungent smell of marijuana hung heavily in the air and backyard marijuana plants towered over fences in plain view from the street.

Law officials, who suspected gang involvement with at least some of the gardens, arrested 13 people on a variety of drug and weapons charges and seized more than 300 plants from 32 locations, said Sonoma County sheriff's Lt. Dennis O'Leary.

The raids began about 9 a.m. when FBI agents in full military gear ordered residents to leave, then rushed into their homes, most of them modest multi-plex units.

Soon the area was punctuated by the sounds of exploding flash grenades at several homes in the neighborhood, which is bordered by Highway 101 on the east and railroad tracks on the west.

After the homes were secured, officers carrying search warrants poured into backyards and uprooted hundreds of marijuana plants, piling the 6- to 8-foot-tall plants into giant heaps in driveways as neighbors watched.

The operation was planned after a recent complaint about rampant pot cultivation in the neighborhood, O'Leary said. A sheriff's helicopter surveyed the area and discovered more than two-dozen marijuana gardens in the backyards of homes along Barbara Drive, Eddy Drive, Robin Way and Neville Way.

“We just looked into this neighborhood and, literally, probably every backyard but two or three have a (marijuana) grow,” O'Leary said. “Our goal is to go in there to rid the neighborhood of these, what we think are probably illegal grows.”
 
what strawman? where is the strawman argument? YOU said there wouldn't be enough manpower to do these kinds of raids and lookie there, they did an entire neighborhood in one day.
 
These are federal leo's?

You are failing to understand the distinction. Under California law Obama had his little back door of whether it violated the state law. California's drug warriors still have a way around the will of the people. The Colorado law goes further and WILL be tougher for the state to maneuver around.

I know you want to just do nothing and pray for a violent revolution. But some of us don't fantasize about getting to kill people and would rather work to affect real change.

Why don't you just go enlist? They wouldn't take you?
 
These are federal leo's?
if you even bothered to read the article, you'd see it was a combination of federal, state, and local police agencies that participated.

You are failing to understand the distinction. Under California law Obama had his little back door of whether it violated the state law. California's drug warriors still have a way around the will of the people. The Colorado law goes further and WILL be tougher for the state to maneuver around.
watch how fast the state and local colorado police forces join the feds in raids when Holder threatens to withhold federal money.

I know you want to just do nothing and pray for a violent revolution. But some of us don't fantasize about getting to kill people and would rather work to affect real change.

Why don't you just go enlist? They wouldn't take you?
what a silly assed assumption on your part. I'm 46 years old and already did my time in service as a US Marine.
 
what strawman? where is the strawman argument? YOU said there wouldn't be enough manpower to do these kinds of raids and lookie there, they did an entire neighborhood in one day.

You are not paying attention to any details. This involved local law enfrocement. All the footwork appears to have been done by them. It does not appear that the growers were in compliance with state law.

That's the problem. California's attempt to control the market leaves the black market in place and gives the drug warriors a way to continue their raids, legitimate or not.

It's going to be a different ballgame in Colorado.
 
You are not paying attention to any details. This involved local law enfrocement. All the footwork appears to have been done by them. It does not appear that the growers were in compliance with state law.

That's the problem. California's attempt to control the market leaves the black market in place and gives the drug warriors a way to continue their raids, legitimate or not.

It's going to be a different ballgame in Colorado.

Participants included personnel from the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office, Probation Department and District Attorney's Office, Santa Rosa Police Department, California Highway Patrol, the FBI and federal departments of Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Who's not paying attention to details?
 
if you even bothered to read the article, you'd see it was a combination of federal, state, and local police agencies that participated.

watch how fast the state and local colorado police forces join the feds in raids when Holder threatens to withhold federal money.

what a silly assed assumption on your part. I'm 46 years old and already did my time in service as a US Marine.

I was asking you to look further. Your argument is proven to be a strawman by your article.

The Colorado police will not be able to. Again, it does not appear these growers were in compliance with the law in California. Anybody and everybody will be able to grow in Colorado.
 
Participants included personnel from the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office, Probation Department and District Attorney's Office, Santa Rosa Police Department, California Highway Patrol, the FBI and federal departments of Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Who's not paying attention to details?

You are not. These are not growers in compliance with medical marijuana laws and there appears to be numerous legal violations on which the authorities had a pretext to conduct a raid.
 
These are federal leo's?

You are failing to understand the distinction. Under California law Obama had his little back door of whether it violated the state law. California's drug warriors still have a way around the will of the people. The Colorado law goes further and WILL be tougher for the state to maneuver around.

I know you want to just do nothing and pray for a violent revolution. But some of us don't fantasize about getting to kill people and would rather work to affect real change.

Why don't you just go enlist? They wouldn't take you?
He did enlist, he got thrown out. And Is now a cable guy!
 
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2012/11/flint_police_will_still_make_m.html

Flint police will continue to arrest people for marijuana possession despite a ballot proposal that voters approved Tuesday, Nov. 6, to decriminalize the drug, according to a statement released by the city Wednesday.

Nearly 57 percent of city voters approved the measure to amend the city ordinance to remove penalties for anyone 19 years or older who have less than an ounce of marijuana -- about enough to fill a plastic sandwich bag -- on private property.

"The ballot proposal approved by Flint voters creating an exemption under city ordinance to allow persons at least 19 years old to possess less than one ounce of marijuana is symbolic in nature," the city's statement read. "It does not decriminalize possession of marijuana."

Marijuana remains illegal under state and federal laws, despite the proposal's support.

"We’re still police officers and we’re still empowered to enforce the laws of the state of Michigan and the United States," said Flint police chief Alvern Lock. "We’re still going to enforce the laws as we’ve been enforcing them."
 
Well, keep polishing your guns. Rational folks are going to keep working within the system and getting high anyway!
 
Well, keep polishing your guns. Rational folks are going to keep working within the system and getting high anyway!
maybe you've mistaken me for a drug warrior, or maybe not. If you're interested, i'd be happy to tell you my position on marijuana. I will, however, keep pointing out to you idiots that your local and state ballot measures aren't going to do anything while the feds make money prosecuting a war on drugs.
 
maybe you've mistaken me for a drug warrior, or maybe not. If you're interested, i'd be happy to tell you my position on marijuana. I will, however, keep pointing out to you idiots that your local and state ballot measures aren't going to do anything while the feds make money prosecuting a war on drugs.

They will do much good to frustrate their efforts. Again, the DEA does not have the resources to raid every grower. With less support from local cops there chances of stopping it become more remote. They did not have much chance before.
 
maybe you've mistaken me for a drug warrior, or maybe not. If you're interested, i'd be happy to tell you my position on marijuana. I will, however, keep pointing out to you idiots that your local and state ballot measures aren't going to do anything while the feds make money prosecuting a war on drugs.

I remember your position. I just don't understand your hostility. Medical marijuana has moved things forward as do all of these measures.

There is plenty of support for this and no reason not to push for change. There will be opposition. So, they are going to lose. The more heavy handed they become the more voters will turn against them.
 
Since there are those that feel that Colorado is going to be safe from any raids by the Federal Government, I'm curious as to what State law others feel will circumvent Federal law?
Those actually living in Colorado probably have the best take on how they think this is going to work out.


There also seems to be an idea that it's OK that just a few get raided and their lives ruined, as long as the authorities don't have the ability to raid everyone.
Why is it OK if only a few get raided?
 
Since there are those that feel that Colorado is going to be safe from any raids by the Federal Government, I'm curious as to what State law others feel will circumvent Federal law?
Those actually living in Colorado probably have the best take on how they think this is going to work out.


There also seems to be an idea that it's OK that just a few get raided and their lives ruined, as long as the authorities don't have the ability to raid everyone.
Why is it OK if only a few get raided?

Who said anything about it being ok? Who feels there are not going to be any raids? Are you guys braindead or what?

First, the dea is not likely to go after those that are just growing for themselves. They dont have the manpower and arresting a handful of people will not stop it. It has not stopped it in California and it does not stop it in states where it is illegal. The dea is a joke. Without local law enforcement they are powerless.

You can have up to 6 plants and an ounce. Thousands will be growing their own. Further, who can grow for sale is not going to be as strictly regulated as in California. That decentralizes the market and makes it impossible for them to target a few operations.

If they raid anyone it is still going to be bullshit and it will be criticized just like it was when Bush and Clinton did it. But this movement is not going away. It will continue to push forward.
 
Why is it OK for states and feds to get all up in American womens vaginas when the same people bemoan the possibility of a fed raid on grass shops?? Odd to say the least...
 
Who said anything about it being ok? Who feels there are not going to be any raids? Are you guys braindead or what?

First, the dea is not likely to go after those that are just growing for themselves. They dont have the manpower and arresting a handful of people will not stop it. It has not stopped it in California and it does not stop it in states where it is illegal. The dea is a joke. Without local law enforcement they are powerless.

You can have up to 6 plants and an ounce. Thousands will be growing their own. Further, who can grow for sale is not going to be as strictly regulated as in California. That decentralizes the market and makes it impossible for them to target a few operations.

If they raid anyone it is still going to be bullshit and it will be criticized just like it was when Bush and Clinton did it. But this movement is not going away. It will continue to push forward.

OH, so all it takes is criticizem to stop this.
That explains why Obama's jack booted thugs have stopped their raides in California.
OH-Wait; they haven't really stopped, HUH!!
 
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