Surprising Poll Findings?

Sheesh, I wish I could site such independent sources as you, RS. "Liberty-page". "Cause I trust politicians so much with my healthcare". I wonder what their opinion is going to be? Surely it won't be biased?

Maybe I'll go get Moveon.org on you about single-payer healthcare?
 
Sheesh, I wish I could site such independent sources as you, RS. "Liberty-page". "Cause I trust politicians so much with my healthcare". I wonder what their opinion is going to be? Surely it won't be biased?

Maybe I'll go get Moveon.org on you about single-payer healthcare?

It's a list to sources not the source itself. Try again.

My only point is that there are struggles in all systems.

A lot of the numbers thrown around are based on arbitrary government definitions and in effect compare apples to oranges.
 
The very large company I contract to has all of their employees in HMO's.
I will be going on you younger folks tab soon :D
 
I've said many times I do not believe government is necessary. It really does not do much that is beneficial that could not be replaced and improved by markets, and does a lot that is harmful.

The primary minarchist arguments are defense police and courts.

Government defense involves taxing the crap out of us and occasionally enslaving our youth. When they are not enslaving them they are preying on the poor and failing to abide by the agreements made (i.e., not letting them leave after their terms are up).

Our government actively enrages the people of other nations doing more to endanger us than defend.

Police functions have replaced the concept of crime against individuals with crimes against the state. They do not seek to repair victims and even claim a first right to any recompense.

They do a pretty lousy job of protecting property and their greatest presence seems to me to be in enforcing annoying traffic laws and writing tickets. When they are focused on "crime" it's usually victimless crimes, e.g., drugs, prostitution, etc.

They frequently commit crimes against citizens and are rarely punished.

The courts are part of the problem of treating crime as an affront against the state. Many of the courts functions could be easily replaced by private arbiters and the market has already developed in that area (as it has in protection of property and person that is supposed to be the justification for police).

It might be necessary for government provision of an ultimate or last court, but I am uncertain of that either.

The government does little but steal from us, force us to follow silly rules and engage us in wars against peoples who have done nothing to harm us.
 
Police for hire would be so much more efficient. It's like a buffet - all the justice you can pay for!

You're right! We must maintain the equal access to and treatment from the justice system we now enjoy, regardless of wealth. Otherwise, imagine what might occur. We might have millions of poor people locked up for doing things that do not harm others! We might have rich men who kill their ex-wives and an unfortunate waiter running around free! The poor neighborhoods might experience higher crime rates and poor police response in comparison to the wealthier neighborhoods!

:rolleyes:

Read Rothbard or David Friedman.

The short answer is that the supposed problem of the "free rider" will ensure protection of the poor.

Also, here is a fairly short article that gives some idea of how police protection might be provided for the poor.

http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/14_1/14_1_5.pdf
 
Interesting. Nothing truly shocking here except what you mentioned.
Too damned many Dimocrats wanting Creationism in the schools. Republicans are just about as stupid, authoritarian and immoral as I expect but the D's continually disappoint me.
 
I've said many times I do not believe government is necessary. It really does not do much that is beneficial that could not be replaced and improved by markets, and does a lot that is harmful.

The primary minarchist arguments are defense police and courts.

Government defense involves taxing the crap out of us and occasionally enslaving our youth. When they are not enslaving them they are preying on the poor and failing to abide by the agreements made (i.e., not letting them leave after their terms are up).

Our government actively enrages the people of other nations doing more to endanger us than defend.

Police functions have replaced the concept of crime against individuals with crimes against the state. They do not seek to repair victims and even claim a first right to any recompense.

They do a pretty lousy job of protecting property and their greatest presence seems to me to be in enforcing annoying traffic laws and writing tickets. When they are focused on "crime" it's usually victimless crimes, e.g., drugs, prostitution, etc.

They frequently commit crimes against citizens and are rarely punished.

The courts are part of the problem of treating crime as an affront against the state. Many of the courts functions could be easily replaced by private arbiters and the market has already developed in that area (as it has in protection of property and person that is supposed to be the justification for police).

It might be necessary for government provision of an ultimate or last court, but I am uncertain of that either.

The government does little but steal from us, force us to follow silly rules and engage us in wars against peoples who have done nothing to harm us.

There is a lot of truth in your argument .. however, I guarantee that you cannot articulate any scenario of an America society without government that would not disintegrate and implode in a very short period of time.

Human nature REQUIRES government, and that truth can be traced back to even the most primative societies right up to the most advanced societies today. Without the sense and being of government, there is only the survival of the fittest and strongest .. and there is chaos. Even animal societies understand this.

In fact, "chaos" can be rationally interpreted as the absence of government.

Bad government is bad government, but all government is not bad government.

It is not Man, but the government of Man that has brought humans to this place in our journey.
 
There is a lot of truth in your argument .. however, I guarantee that you cannot articulate any scenario of an America society without government that would not disintegrate and implode in a very short period of time.

Human nature REQUIRES government, and that truth can be traced back to even the most primative societies right up to the most advanced societies today. Without the sense and being of government, there is only the survival of the fittest and strongest .. and there is chaos. Even animal societies understand this.

In fact, "chaos" can be rationally interpreted as the absence of government.

Bad government is bad government, but all government is not bad government.

It is not Man, but the government of Man that has brought humans to this place in our journey.

Medieval Iceland and ancient Ireland were virtually stateless. Plenty of other examples. http://libertariannation.org/b/history.htm

Human nature is the best argument against government.

At one time people argued that human nature would not allow equality of liberty and/or democracy. The masses could not be trusted to make their own decisions and it was up kings and nobles to lead. At one time people argued that certain minorities and women could not be trusted with liberty and/or with a vote.

But the argument that human nature requires some to utilize force against others (i.e., government), that some must serve as masters and others as subordinates, has proven wrong.
 
Yep the first question asked on a 911 call would be your credit card number :D

As if your lack of imagination on possible ways of marketing/distributing a product/service just destroy any consideration. I mean, aren't you a billionaire that has been in the front of many innovative market offerings?
 
The point is, the market can come up with innovative ways to deliver goods and services, that you and I might not be able to imagine.

There are obvious ways to deliver emergency services that would be more effective than taking cc on 911 calls. Think a little bit. Or if you can't then look into the sources I provided.
 
The point is, the market can come up with innovative ways to deliver goods and services, that you and I might not be able to imagine.

There are obvious ways to deliver emergency services that would be more effective than taking cc on 911 calls. Think a little bit. Or if you can't then look into the sources I provided.

RS, you're insane. Whenever you see something in reality that conflicts with your ideology, it's not a problem with your ideology, no, it's just that reality has it wrong.
 
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