Loving91390
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Op .... blow hard much ?
Sympathy For The Liberal
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SteveKlinko
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I agree to Civil Discourse and I believe I have been Civil.
So you Deny the implications in my OP. That's fine and I'm happy to hear that. That's at least a start. But the implications exist to get your attention. I don't really think for example that Liberals believe: Every Cop is a Criminal and all the Sinners Saints. But the thing that Puzzles me (which is the real point of the OP) is that Liberals (the ones I see on cable News) will Enable and Accept the people that are saying these things about the Police. Likewise for all the other implications in the OP. It seems to be some sort of Game that they (I'll leave You out of it) are playing. I just simply, with courtesy, and civility ask: What is the nature of their Game?
I don't even know what Ann Coulter says. Where did you come up with that? She pops up on the cable shows every now and then but haven't seen her in a while.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello SteveKlinko,
I thanked your post because I appreciate a commitment to civility.
"I don't really think for example that Liberals believe: Every Cop is a Criminal and all the Sinners Saints. "
Glad to hear that. I don't think anyone believes all cops are criminal. The problem is there are bullies who aspire to become police. And police unions protect bad cops. After they get away with abuse, and get fired, and then their union lawyers force the department to hire them back, with back pay, then these bullies get the idea they can pretty much do no wrong.
That's not right. Nobody is supposed to be above the law. But some of these police really do feel that way.
Why are police unions fighting body cams?
We need to know what our police are doing. This has to do with more than their rights. They are charged with enforcing the law. If they ignore the law among themselves and only enforce it selectively, that's a police state. That doesn't make America great. That makes America meaningless.
You'll have to show me examples of people who say 'every cop is a criminal.' If someone said that, it is not representative of the entire left.
The Coulter example was all about what she said, not who she is. It was this thing that we see way too much of on the right. People want to make up a caricature of the left and use that instead of listening to what people on the left actually say. Well, if the right is not listening to what the left is actually saying, and instead just making things up and pretending the left said it, then that's not seeing reality. That's just creating a big straw man that's easy to tear apart.
If the left is really so bad, why does the right have to make things up about the left?
Why can't the right simply react to what is actually going on on the left?
Isn't that bad enough? And if not, then maybe the left isn't so bad after all.............
One would think that the right should be able to find plenty to object to about the left without embellishing and making it worse.
But that rarely happens. Instead, we see all this propaganda about how bad the left is; and little to none of it is accurate.
How many times do we hear somebody on the right saying the left hates America? That's BS. We are all Americans. We all love America.
You don't hear the left saying such garbage about the right.
Back to your question.
What you really want to know is what makes the left tick. You want to define the left, lay it all out so it can be easily seen, warp it up and put it in a nice box: 'This is the left.'
Here's the thing. That can't be done. That would be like trying to describe America in a neat little package. It can't be done. It's too diverse. It embodies a lot of very different people. The left is more diverse than the right, and the right is pretty diverse.
There's all kinds of people on the right. You've got your rich billionaires and super-rich multi millionaires, there's the rural working stiffs who think Trump is this great businessman who is no-nonsense say-it-like-it-is kinda guy they can identify with (despite the fact that Trump himself would never want anything to do with them,) there are the racist white supremacists, the anti-abortion evangelicals, the anti-Trumpers who favor low taxes but are also concerned about the budget, and more. That's a pretty wide array of people. Pretty hard to pin any common traits on all of them.
The left is even more diverse than the right. There are Blacks, women's rights advocates, atheists, unions, Native Americans, immigrants, Jews, Muslims, Latinos, College people, Hollywood people, sports players, Musicians, artists, city people of all flavors, people who depend on government assistance, environmentalists, non-union worker advocates, and more.
How can anyone look at such diversity and expect a unified message out of all those different wide groups of individuals?
I think one of the biggest mistakes on the right, and on the left, is expecting either side to have a consistent message or common motivation.
These terms left and right are just labels. We use them to group different generalities of thought and describe the differences. No way it means this half or that half acts a certain way or speaks with a unified message. It's messy. Politics is messy. Any attempts to simplify it quickly become dangerous over-simplifications. Without getting under the surface, they are of little use.
It's why politics is so fraught with apathy. There is so much to know that few people can really be fully fluent with everything, know all the history, understand all the implications. Who's got the time for that?
Getting an education, working a job, taking care of life's demands, family, friends, social circle, having a life, enjoying entertainment, retirement planning, etc, is enough to keep people plenty busy without spending hours trying to become fully informed. Most people are intimidated by politics. They don't like it. It's nasty. There's attitudes. Grudges. Who wants to take on a load of grief when life already throws more at people than they can handle?
Plenty of people want nothing to do with politics. All they see is that nothing gets resolved, people are mean and nasty about it, and they don't even want to talk about it. They don't want to get into it and reveal how little they know.
If politics and the left and the right seem bewildering and hard to comprehend, welcome to the crowd. No one person can understand it all.
I thanked your post because I appreciate a commitment to civility.
"I don't really think for example that Liberals believe: Every Cop is a Criminal and all the Sinners Saints. "
Glad to hear that. I don't think anyone believes all cops are criminal. The problem is there are bullies who aspire to become police. And police unions protect bad cops. After they get away with abuse, and get fired, and then their union lawyers force the department to hire them back, with back pay, then these bullies get the idea they can pretty much do no wrong.
That's not right. Nobody is supposed to be above the law. But some of these police really do feel that way.
Why are police unions fighting body cams?
We need to know what our police are doing. This has to do with more than their rights. They are charged with enforcing the law. If they ignore the law among themselves and only enforce it selectively, that's a police state. That doesn't make America great. That makes America meaningless.
You'll have to show me examples of people who say 'every cop is a criminal.' If someone said that, it is not representative of the entire left.
The Coulter example was all about what she said, not who she is. It was this thing that we see way too much of on the right. People want to make up a caricature of the left and use that instead of listening to what people on the left actually say. Well, if the right is not listening to what the left is actually saying, and instead just making things up and pretending the left said it, then that's not seeing reality. That's just creating a big straw man that's easy to tear apart.
If the left is really so bad, why does the right have to make things up about the left?
Why can't the right simply react to what is actually going on on the left?
Isn't that bad enough? And if not, then maybe the left isn't so bad after all.............
One would think that the right should be able to find plenty to object to about the left without embellishing and making it worse.
But that rarely happens. Instead, we see all this propaganda about how bad the left is; and little to none of it is accurate.
How many times do we hear somebody on the right saying the left hates America? That's BS. We are all Americans. We all love America.
You don't hear the left saying such garbage about the right.
Back to your question.
What you really want to know is what makes the left tick. You want to define the left, lay it all out so it can be easily seen, warp it up and put it in a nice box: 'This is the left.'
Here's the thing. That can't be done. That would be like trying to describe America in a neat little package. It can't be done. It's too diverse. It embodies a lot of very different people. The left is more diverse than the right, and the right is pretty diverse.
There's all kinds of people on the right. You've got your rich billionaires and super-rich multi millionaires, there's the rural working stiffs who think Trump is this great businessman who is no-nonsense say-it-like-it-is kinda guy they can identify with (despite the fact that Trump himself would never want anything to do with them,) there are the racist white supremacists, the anti-abortion evangelicals, the anti-Trumpers who favor low taxes but are also concerned about the budget, and more. That's a pretty wide array of people. Pretty hard to pin any common traits on all of them.
The left is even more diverse than the right. There are Blacks, women's rights advocates, atheists, unions, Native Americans, immigrants, Jews, Muslims, Latinos, College people, Hollywood people, sports players, Musicians, artists, city people of all flavors, people who depend on government assistance, environmentalists, non-union worker advocates, and more.
How can anyone look at such diversity and expect a unified message out of all those different wide groups of individuals?
I think one of the biggest mistakes on the right, and on the left, is expecting either side to have a consistent message or common motivation.
These terms left and right are just labels. We use them to group different generalities of thought and describe the differences. No way it means this half or that half acts a certain way or speaks with a unified message. It's messy. Politics is messy. Any attempts to simplify it quickly become dangerous over-simplifications. Without getting under the surface, they are of little use.
It's why politics is so fraught with apathy. There is so much to know that few people can really be fully fluent with everything, know all the history, understand all the implications. Who's got the time for that?
Getting an education, working a job, taking care of life's demands, family, friends, social circle, having a life, enjoying entertainment, retirement planning, etc, is enough to keep people plenty busy without spending hours trying to become fully informed. Most people are intimidated by politics. They don't like it. It's nasty. There's attitudes. Grudges. Who wants to take on a load of grief when life already throws more at people than they can handle?
Plenty of people want nothing to do with politics. All they see is that nothing gets resolved, people are mean and nasty about it, and they don't even want to talk about it. They don't want to get into it and reveal how little they know.
If politics and the left and the right seem bewildering and hard to comprehend, welcome to the crowd. No one person can understand it all.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
500+% larger at least, and when did no deaths--which is a lie-- become the "gold standard" for protesting. The bill's approaching $10 billion in property damage and may be higher. The loss of business revenue is at least equal. How many people's lives have to be ruined before we say "No more!"? How may people need to go to the hospital for being beaten by the mob to say "Enough!"?
The riotous mob is the problem and it is a huge problem. Trying to brush that off with "Well, they're peaceful because they aren't killing anyone..." is nothing but sophistry at its worst. It excuses a huge, violent, mob of thugs and criminals for their multitude of crimes and felonies. Looting is a felony. Arson is a felony. Assault is a felony. Malicious property damage to include mass graffiti is a felony. It isn't just about how many deaths, but about how many people's lives are ruined and destroyed by this ongoing, lawless, rioting.
It's hard to take dishonest stupidity like this seriously. You should seek out the help of a mental health professional you delusional loon.
LOL.
"Authoritative". "Impartial" "Fact-checker".
Thanks for the laugh.
Maybe we should rely on Tucker Carlson to fact check?
TexanManWithPlans
Verified User
It's hard to take dishonest stupidity like this seriously. You should seek out the help of a mental health professional you delusional loon.
I watched your first video and everyone in it was yelling about how patriotic it was to overthrow government. They complained about government overreach.
Sounds an awful like the right, if you ask me.
Then again, looting and destruction of property is the American way going all the way back to the Boston Tea Party.
SteveKlinko
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The OP is worded in a kind of prose to get your attention. It does not say for example, that all Liberals are America haters and Capitalist haters. It merely says the people who do think like that will vote for the Liberal candidate. Why would that be true? It is because the growing Depravity within the Liberal/Media/Commentators Enables them to want to vote for the Liberal candidate. It is also because the Liberal commentators Accept these kinds of haters.
What you saw in that video were a bunch of shrill low IQ loons on the left that support the Democratic Party of the Jackass. You don't overthrow your government because you can't win in a free election.
You're not very smart.
TexanManWithPlans
Verified User
Wait. Remember how there were right-wingers claiming that civil unrest would result if Obama were elected? Remember when Texans wanted to secede from the Union a few years back? Remember when all the gun nuts were threatening to overthrow government?
But when people actually do those things, you attack them. Hypocrite. And you claim that the people in your video are "liberals," yet every sentiment expressed in the video comes from the right.
No to all questions. Do you have anything supporting all right wingers claimed there would be civil unrest, all Texans wanting to secede, and all those you call gun nuts were threatening to overthrow the government?