Taliban behead 17 at Afghan party 'with music and dancing'

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If anybody wants to know what might happen when NATO leaves Afghanistan then this is a good an indication as any.

Taliban Islamist insurgents beheaded 17 civilians, including two women, who were holding a party with music in a southern Afghanistan village, officials said Monday.
"I can confirm that this is the work of the Taliban," the Helmand provincial governor's spokesman Daud Ahmadi told AFP, referring to the hardliners notorious during their rule for public executions and the suppression of music and parties.
"Two women and 15 men were beheaded. They were partying with music in an area under the control of the Taliban," he said.
Nematullah Khan, the Musa Qala district chief confirmed that the villagers had organised a party with music, and one local official said he suspected that the two women had been dancing.
Secret parties with dancing women from a gypsy-type tribe are common across southern Afghanistan.
During their 1996-2001 rule in Afghanistan the Taliban, waging a fierce insurgency against the NATO-backed government of President Hamid Karzai, also tried to stop the mixing of men and women who were not related.
The latest atrocity happened near Zamindawar village, an area on the border between Kajaki and Musa Qala districts where the Taliban are active.
The insurgents have in the past been blamed for beheading local villagers, mostly over charges of spying for Afghan and US-led NATO forces.
Haji Musa Khan, a tribal elder in Musa Qala district, said the region had seen a surge in such killings in recent months.
"We had three people beheaded during the month of Ramadan. Another person, the son of a tribal elder, was beheaded recently," he said.
Khan said the killings followed major military operations by Afghan and NATO troops in the area.
Hours after the beheadings, Taliban insurgents overran an Afghan army post in the same province in a pre-dawn attack on Monday, killing 10 troopers, authorities said.
Four soldiers were wounded and six others were missing following the attack in Helmand's Washir district, senior regional police officer Colonel Mohammad Ismael Hotak told AFP.
Ahmadi confirmed the incident and said the attack was an "insider" plot in which some army soldiers helped the rebels attack the post.
"The Taliban attacked a post in Washir and killed 10 soldiers. Four other soldiers were wounded and five others have gone with the Taliban with their guns," he said. "It was an insider plot."
If it is confirmed that the attack was facilitated by soldiers it will mark a new escalation in a string of insider attacks on Afghan and NATO security forces.
Two NATO soldiers were killed Monday when an Afghan army soldier turned his weapon against them in a "green-on-blue" attack in eastern Laghman province, the US-led International Security Assistance Force said.
"ISAF soldiers returned fire and killed the attacker," ISAF said.
The latest NATO deaths take the toll from insider attacks this month alone to 12 and to a total of 42 this year, making up around 13 percent of all NATO deaths in 2012.
NATO, which has about 130,000 troops in Afghanistan, has struggled to stem the attacks and they have become a major issue in the Afghan war, eroding trust between the two forces.





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When NATO leaves Afghanistan .. which is what it should do with the quickness .. Afghanistan will go back to being Afghanistan without an American/NATO invasion.
 
When NATO leaves Afghanistan .. which is what it should do with the quickness .. Afghanistan will go back to being Afghanistan without an American/NATO invasion.

In other words, just walk away and let the Taliban get back to beheading men and women, stopping women having an education and medical facilities. Exactly what happened in Cambodia with Pol Pot, I'm glad that you can live with the inevitable consequences.
 
In other words, just walk away and let the Taliban get back to beheading men and women, stopping women having an education and medical facilities. Exactly what happened in Cambodia with Pol Pot, I'm glad that you can live with the inevitable consequences.
Right because us showing up has totally reduced the death count.
 
2 more US soldiers were killed yesterday .. two more, dead for nothing.

Our presence in Aghanistan only makes it worse for the Afghani people.

Makes what worse? Do you think the women of Afghanistan want to go back to the 7th century again? Apparently women's rights are only of interest to the Left if they are in the First World.
 
In other words, just walk away and let the Taliban get back to beheading men and women, stopping women having an education and medical facilities. Exactly what happened in Cambodia with Pol Pot, I'm glad that you can live with the inevitable consequences.

In other words, we are incapable of policing the world, and we are no more capable of protecting the Afghanis forever than we were of protecting the South Vietnamese who worked with us, nor more than were capable of protecting the Iraqis who worked with us.

There are limits to military power .. ESPECIALLY when you invade a foreign land thousands of miles from your shores and start killing innocent civilians.

Who protects the Afghanis or the Pakistanis FROM US?

Who protected the Iraqis FROM US?

Who protected the Libyans FROM US?

I'm glad that you can live with the deaths of the civilians that we have and are still murdering .. and I'm glad that you can live with the deaths of good American men and women in the military who are sent to their deaths on these needless misadventures.
 
Makes what worse? Do you think the women of Afghanistan want to go back to the 7th century again? Apparently women's rights are only of interest to the Left if they are in the First World.

With all due respect .. that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

It's our responsibility to secure freedom for Afghan women .. many of whom don't want our sense of "freedom?"

It is our responsibility to demonstrate to Afghan women how ugly and destructive THEIR religion is?

With what resources and at the cost of whose lives?

Yours?

I've asked you this question many times brother and you are yet to answer it.
 
With all due respect .. that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

It's our responsibility to secure freedom for Afghan women .. many of whom don't want our sense of "freedom?"

It is our responsibility to demonstrate to Afghan women how ugly and destructive THEIR religion is?

With what resources and at the cost of whose lives?

Yours?

I've asked you this question many times brother and you are yet to answer it.

So the women of Afghanistan didn't want education, medical facilities and not to be treated as a chattel because of their religion?
 
Yes, it has quite drastically. Apparently you have forgotten what happened before the West intervened, I guess stoning women to death and public executions are all acceptable to the left.

I guess mass-murder for profit .. then run and hide behind women is acceptable to whatever your side is.
 
In other words, just walk away and let the Taliban get back to beheading men and women, stopping women having an education and medical facilities. Exactly what happened in Cambodia with Pol Pot, I'm glad that you can live with the inevitable consequences.

yeah, like nato is doing such a good job of protecting afghans from the taliban

a lot of lives and money have been poured in to that sewer pit for what

propping up a corrupt government that is happy to take our money, but bad mouths nato

not to mention having to bribe pakistan just so we can supply the troops

obl is dead, the excuse for invading afghanistan in the first place

but bushco decided that we needed to do nation building there when we need to do nation building at home

at least obama has set a withdrawal date, but it is not soon enough
 
So the women of Afghanistan didn't want education, medical facilities and not to be treated as a chattel because of their religion?

With what resources and at the cost of whose lives?

Yours?

I've asked you this question many times brother and you are yet to answer it.
 
yeah, like nato is doing such a good job of protecting afghans from the taliban

a lot of lives and money have been poured in to that sewer pit for what

propping up a corrupt government that is happy to take our money, but bad mouths nato

not to mention having to bribe pakistan just so we can supply the troops

obl is dead, the excuse for invading afghanistan in the first place

but bushco decided that we needed to do nation building there when we need to do nation building at home

at least obama has set a withdrawal date, but it is not soon enough

APPLAUSE
 
I have some essays written by a Muslim woman professor and feminist about why the west cannot "Free" muslim women and how we attempt to shove our own western feminism onto them. I use the term Western Feminism in its most pedestrian way. Not my feminism, but broadly accepted feminism. But their feminism is very different than ours. They mostly want no part of it. I would suggest reading Muslim woman feminists, it's fascinating stuff, regardless of where you come down.

I have gone to hear women from RAWA speak. They are anti-fundamentalist. They fight for women's freedom in Afghanistan. I have listened to them state that they can take care of their own problems. This doesn't strike me as true. I think this is a very complicated situation. I know one thing; when Tariq Ali says that no one ever went to war to free women he ain't whistling Dixie! So we are not there to free women and to claim otherwise is the claim of a buffoon. I especially dislike finding men I know to be sexist exploiting the problems women face in the world for their own imperialist ends.

There is also the fact that we cannot free them. They do have to free themselves. Many will have to die. That's what revolutions are. And this sort of thing can only be ended by a revolution not by an invasion. It's just not possible for us to free the women there. We have not done so yet. We never will. If we could, who knows where I might fall on the topic. But I know we cannot. Muslim women feminists do have many suggestions about things they feel that we in the western world, especially western feminists, can do to support them. But we can't free them. And they don't want our guns and bombs murdering their children anymore. It really comes down to that.
 
With all due respect .. that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

It's our responsibility to secure freedom for Afghan women .. many of whom don't want our sense of "freedom?"

It is our responsibility to demonstrate to Afghan women how ugly and destructive THEIR religion is?

With what resources and at the cost of whose lives?

Yours?

I've asked you this question many times brother and you are yet to answer it.

Most westerners refuse to believe this, but it's true. I have been surprised myself at the depths of it.
 
I guess mass-murder for profit .. then run and hide behind women is acceptable to whatever your side is.

I am just pointing out what will happen but apparently you are happy enough about that, the West created the Taliban in the first place so it is beholden on the West to rid Afghanistan of them.
 
If anybody wants to know what might happen when NATO leaves Afghanistan then this is a good an indication as any.

Taliban Islamist insurgents beheaded 17 civilians, including two women, who were holding a party with music in a southern Afghanistan village, officials said Monday.
"I can confirm that this is the work of the Taliban," the Helmand provincial governor's spokesman Daud Ahmadi told AFP, referring to the hardliners notorious during their rule for public executions and the suppression of music and parties.
"Two women and 15 men were beheaded. They were partying with music in an area under the control of the Taliban," he said.
Nematullah Khan, the Musa Qala district chief confirmed that the villagers had organised a party with music, and one local official said he suspected that the two women had been dancing.
Secret parties with dancing women from a gypsy-type tribe are common across southern Afghanistan.
During their 1996-2001 rule in Afghanistan the Taliban, waging a fierce insurgency against the NATO-backed government of President Hamid Karzai, also tried to stop the mixing of men and women who were not related.
The latest atrocity happened near Zamindawar village, an area on the border between Kajaki and Musa Qala districts where the Taliban are active.
The insurgents have in the past been blamed for beheading local villagers, mostly over charges of spying for Afghan and US-led NATO forces.
Haji Musa Khan, a tribal elder in Musa Qala district, said the region had seen a surge in such killings in recent months.
"We had three people beheaded during the month of Ramadan. Another person, the son of a tribal elder, was beheaded recently," he said.
Khan said the killings followed major military operations by Afghan and NATO troops in the area.
Hours after the beheadings, Taliban insurgents overran an Afghan army post in the same province in a pre-dawn attack on Monday, killing 10 troopers, authorities said.
Four soldiers were wounded and six others were missing following the attack in Helmand's Washir district, senior regional police officer Colonel Mohammad Ismael Hotak told AFP.
Ahmadi confirmed the incident and said the attack was an "insider" plot in which some army soldiers helped the rebels attack the post.
"The Taliban attacked a post in Washir and killed 10 soldiers. Four other soldiers were wounded and five others have gone with the Taliban with their guns," he said. "It was an insider plot."
If it is confirmed that the attack was facilitated by soldiers it will mark a new escalation in a string of insider attacks on Afghan and NATO security forces.
Two NATO soldiers were killed Monday when an Afghan army soldier turned his weapon against them in a "green-on-blue" attack in eastern Laghman province, the US-led International Security Assistance Force said.
"ISAF soldiers returned fire and killed the attacker," ISAF said.
The latest NATO deaths take the toll from insider attacks this month alone to 12 and to a total of 42 this year, making up around 13 percent of all NATO deaths in 2012.
NATO, which has about 130,000 troops in Afghanistan, has struggled to stem the attacks and they have become a major issue in the Afghan war, eroding trust between the two forces.





http://uk.news.yahoo.com/17-civilians-beheaded-afghanistan-officials-043748868.html

Kevin Bacon is on his way over to teach them how to cut loose...
 
Yes, it has quite drastically. Apparently you have forgotten what happened before the West intervened, I guess stoning women to death and public executions are all acceptable to the left.

For many on the left in the US, protection for women stops at our borders.
 
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