Tesla Model S launched! Finally we see what the future of electric cars can be.

Did you notice that there seem to be none of the usual rants about government subsidies for energy-efficient cars in this thread?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
And the Fisker and the Clarity and every other hybrid vehicle out there.
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Except this one, apparently.

What a difference a day makes...

WinterBorn said:
If we are generating electricity from coal-fired power plants, yes the electric car is just adding distance between the consumer and the pollution. But in the southeast, most of our power is hydroelectric.
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\\()// said:
Does the "astounding" and "exciting" Tesla just add distance between the consumer and the pollution?
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If the electricity is generated by coal fired plants, yes it is still polluting. Due to the efficiency of the electric motor, it will pollute less. But it is still causing pollution.

You posted a quote where I talked about pollution, and somehow tried to make it fit todays discussion? I don't recall mention pollution at all in the Tesla thread.

But nice try.
 
WinterBorn said:
If the electricity is generated by coal fired plants, yes it is still polluting. Due to the efficiency of the electric motor, it will pollute less. But it is still causing pollution. You posted a quote where I talked about pollution, and somehow tried to make it fit todays discussion? I don't recall mention pollution at all in the Tesla thread. But nice try.
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WinterBorn said:
If we are generating electricity from coal-fired power plants, yes the electric car is just adding distance between the consumer and the pollution. But in the southeast, most of our power is hydroelectric.
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So a post of yours from day before yesterday about electric cars has no relevance to today's thread about an electric car?
 
\\()// said:
So a post of yours from day before yesterday about electric cars has no relevance to today's thread about an electric car?
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Is there a point you are trying to make?

I do not see the relevant connection between what I said day before yesterday and the thread on the Tesla.

But please feel free to make your point, if you have one.
 
\\()// said:
No?
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No. The comment I made concerned pollution and the fact that while the car may have no emissions it may still contribute to pollution depending on how the electricty is generated. It will contribute less, because it is much more efficient than an internal combustion engine.

The thread on the Tesla was about the exciting and astounding new car from Tesla. You know, the one I boasted that I can afford, if I were in the market for a luxury sedan.
 
WinterBorn said:
No. The comment I made concerned pollution and the fact that while the car may have no emissions it may still contribute to pollution depending on how the electricty is generated. It will contribute less, because it is much more efficient than an internal combustion engine. The thread on the Tesla was about the exciting and astounding new car from Tesla. You know, the one I boasted that I can afford, if I were in the market for a luxury sedan.
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That is exciting and astounding.
 
WinterBorn said:
You must be so proud to be able to spot typos. Congrats.
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Thanks. I looked for some here:


http://www.justplainpolitics.com/archive/index.php/t-27505.html?


WinterBorn 08-01-2010, 10:21 PM

Doesn't the Nissan electric go farther for $10k less?"



WinterBorn 08-02-2010, 07:38 AM

The Nissan LEAF runs around $26k. Looks like the japanese are gonna win this round as well.




WinterBorn 08-02-2010, 07:57 AM

Not even, the minimal distances you can get preclude its use to any except those people who never leave a city. The Volt will get me any distance. Make it a pick up truck that can pull something and you might get me to buy one.

The LEAF will run 100 miles on a single charge (less if running the heater or a/c). That would take care of the majority of drivers in the USA.

The average person only drives around 12k miles per year. Even assuming they park all weekend, that is still less than 50 miles per day.




WinterBorn 08-02-2010, 08:26 AM

I don't have time to charge up, seriously. Who has several hours to wait when it takes less than a minute to fill up their car otherwise? The reality is these are still just a rich man's toy, they'd never be useful as the sole transportation of a family. The Volt has more promise in that arena because you don't have to sit idle and wait for the car to charge up. However, the price makes it still a rich man's toy.

The Volt is still little more than a hybrid. The LEAF's cost being so much less would allow families to have a second gas guzzler for any trips over 50 miles.

The VOLT claims to be able to run 40 miles per day. But they have an onboard gasoline generator to get more miles.

Seems like, for millions of people, the LEAF would be a great option. Especially since it is significantly less expensive than the Volt.




WinterBorn 08-02-2010, 01:47 PM

Read the thread. I already said the Volt would be cool, but its price makes it useless except to rich people. SM and others are defending the usefulness of the fully electronic 100 mile ranged vehicle built by Mazda or Nissan or some other company... A $26K toy that can only get you 100 miles round-trip.

I still disagree with your assessment, Damo. It may not be the savior of the poor, but it will hardly be exclusively a rich person toy either.

Most pontoon boats and good bass boats cost as much as the Nissan LEAF, and they are certainly not reserved for rich people. Granted, the people buying them are rarely poor.






Looks as though your position has evolved in exciting and astounding ways.
 
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