"Texas elementary school shooting: 16 dead, including 14 kids"

Dutch Uncle said:
A bigger issue is the fact this kid was known to be a threat but nothing was done until he committed mass murder.

All the mass shooter of note were nut jobs. People knew they were nutjobs, but our laws are inadequate to help such people before they hurt themselves and others.

The news has talking heads regurgitating the "45,000 gun violence deaths" while forgetting to mention that almost 2/3s of those deaths are single-shot suicides. They obviously don't give a shit about the suicides that don't use a firearm.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
In 2020, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three other, less common types of gun-related deaths tracked by the CDC: those that were unintentional, those that involved law enforcement and those whose circumstances could not be determined. The total excludes deaths in which gunshot injuries played a contributing, but not principal, role. (CDC fatality statistics are based on information contained in official death certificates, which identify a single cause of death.)
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Thanks Trump!
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Yep, Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to own firearms. Any time legislation comes along to prevent the mentally ill from getting guns, conservatives complain that vets with PTSD won't be able to get them, or that anyone can just label a conservative as mentally ill (which is making more sense by the day, btw).
 
Mr.Badguy said:
Yep, Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to own firearms. Any time legislation comes along to prevent the mentally ill from getting guns, conservatives complain that vets with PTSD won't be able to get them, or that anyone can just label a conservative as mentally ill (which is making more sense by the day, btw).
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Yet the fucking Democrats think they can get a gun ban bill passed? This is a medical issue, specifically mental health.

Yes, Obama wanted to ban guns from vets with PTSD. That wasn't the problem; the problem was that there was little to no effective means to get off that list.

Consider this scenario: A college student's roommate is killed road surfing and becomes depressed. He seeks treatment and, per the law, is put on a list to not own or possess a gun. 40 years later he's a successful, retired business man who never had any further mental health issues and wants to buy a .22 rifle to take his grandson squirrel hunting. He finds he's blocked from owning a firearm. IMO, that's not justice.

Secondly, if we're going to ban people from owning guns, shouldn't we ban them from voting and driving cars?
 
archives said:
Who the f*ck cares what the guy is, he obviously had easy access to the billions of guns available in America and employed one to kill fourteen elementary school children
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obviously if owning guns were illegal this would never have happened.......people who kill 19 second graders would never break the law, would they?......
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yet the fucking Democrats think they can get a gun ban bill passed? This is a medical issue, specifically mental health.

Yes, Obama wanted to ban guns from vets with PTSD. That wasn't the problem; the problem was that there was little to no effective means to get off that list.

Consider this scenario: A college student's roommate is killed road surfing and becomes depressed. He seeks treatment and, per the law, is put on a list to not own or possess a gun. 40 years later he's a successful, retired business man who never had any further mental health issues and wants to buy a .22 rifle to take his grandson squirrel hunting. He finds he's blocked from owning a firearm. IMO, that's not justice.

Secondly, if we're going to ban people from owning guns, shouldn't we ban them from voting and driving cars?
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Then why not amend the EO with an appeals process or a clear path to medical clearance after examination? Trump just undid the whole thing and put us back to square one.

Our country should not have these shootings. Either it's a mental illness issue, or a gun issue, or both. In any case, conservatives won't do jack shit about any of it, and they'll actively prevent anyone from trying.
 
Mr.Badguy said:
Then why not amend the EO with an appeals process or a clear path to medical clearance after examination? Trump just undid the whole thing and put us back to square one.

Our country should not have these shootings. Either it's a mental illness issue, or a gun issue, or both. In any case, conservatives won't do jack shit about any of it, and they'll actively prevent anyone from trying.
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Agreed. Why didn't Obama offer that?

It's a mental illness issue. If not a gun, then chain the doors shut and burn down the entire school, make propane bombs, drive a loaded truck (mass) through a crowd, etc.

The problem is sick people harming others. The Democratic solution is to punish all the innocent people out of fear.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Why didn't Obama offer that?

It's a mental illness issue. If not a gun, then chain the doors shut and burn down the entire school, make propane bombs, drive a loaded truck (mass) through a crowd, etc.

The problem is sick people harming others. The Democratic solution is to punish all the innocent people out of fear.
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Hell hath frozen over if only for one day. I agree with you.
 
Lionfish said:
Hell hath frozen over if only for one day. I agree with you.
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Unfortunately, both the Democrats and the Republicans are heavy on federalism and light on freedom for all. They just disagree on how to subjugate Americans to their own advantage.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Not sure which that one was, but there's no reason there isn't a national data base for businesses to check to verify eligibility to work, rent/buy or own a gun.

A pawn shop clerk running a background check doesn't need to know the buyer's medical history, just whether the buyer passes or not. If it's not, then the buyer should be given a code reference number to contact an agency on why his purchase was denied.
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we have that now, it's called NICS
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so government failed, again. why do we keep wanting to give government more money and power for their failures?
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You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope again, kid.

Good luck with your Turner Diaries fantasy of committing mass murder and "taking our country back". LOL
 
I officially give up. If two separate mass murders of little kids doesn't get you to agree that enhanced background checks are necessary, we are done as a society. Buy all the fucking guns you want. Go blow up shit in the woods. And please let me know when all those fucking guns you have stop the mass murder of a bunch of kids. Just once. I'll wait.
 
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