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SmarterThanYou said:
4th amendment law, yes.

here's the scenario:

COP: scuse me, your ID please.

ME: no, but thank you.

COP: you're under arrest for obstruction, hindering an investigation, and failure to obey a lawful order.

ME: outstanding, when can I call my lawyer for being arrested without committing a crime?

You can't arrest someone for not providing an ID or their name if you're initiating a consensual contact.
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What a clown you are. The cops have to have an adequate reason to stop you. It's in the fucking law. but you moron liberals are soooo fucking smart, you think you know what's in the law without reading it. And you make up fantasy scenarios where you can claim racism.


Stop making shit up, you kooky libtards
 
SmarterThanYou said:
4th amendment law, yes.

here's the scenario:

COP: scuse me, your ID please.

ME: no, but thank you.

COP: you're under arrest for obstruction, hindering an investigation, and failure to obey a lawful order.

ME: outstanding, when can I call my lawyer for being arrested without committing a crime?

You can't arrest someone for not providing an ID or their name if you're initiating a consensual contact.
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You cannot, without cause, make someone produce proof of their legal status...that is a far cry from arresting someone who was found to be here illegally AFTER a just cause encounter.

Foreigners and US citizens in our country are required by law to carry identification. If they are here legally they should also have easy access to a valid passport issued by their governments and the appropriate visa issued by a United States Embassy or Consulate.

The Law:

Travel to/from/between Freely Associated States: U.S. citizens or nationals may be required to carry a valid U.S. Passport, Birth Certificate or naturalization papers as proof of citizenship to enter any of the Freely Associated States. Foreign nationals must have valid passports issued by their respective governments and any applicable visas, and should review the entry requirements for the applicable country.
 
tinfoil said:
What a clown you are. The cops have to have an adequate reason to stop you. It's in the fucking law. but you moron liberals are soooo fucking smart, you think you know what's in the law without reading it. And you make up fantasy scenarios where you can claim racism.


Stop making shit up, you kooky libtards
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:palm:

forget who you were talking to tin?

just because it's IN the law, doesn't mean cops will abide by it. It happens every damn day. would you like proof that cops don't abide by the law and/or don't know the law?
 
Ice Dancer said:
You cannot, without cause, make someone produce proof of their legal status...that is a far cry from arresting someone who was found to be here illegally AFTER a just cause encounter.

Foreigners and US citizens in our country are required by law to carry identification. If they are here legally they should also have easy access to a valid passport issued by their governments and the appropriate visa issued by a United States Embassy or Consulate.

The Law:

Travel to/from/between Freely Associated States: U.S. citizens or nationals may be required to carry a valid U.S. Passport, Birth Certificate or naturalization papers as proof of citizenship to enter any of the Freely Associated States. Foreign nationals must have valid passports issued by their respective governments and any applicable visas, and should review the entry requirements for the applicable country.
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please provide your cite for this particular law, because the last that I hear, the US supreme court has said that people have the absolute right to freedom of travel interstate....no papers necessary.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
:palm:

forget who you were talking to tin?

just because it's IN the law, doesn't mean cops will abide by it. It happens every damn day. would you like proof that cops don't abide by the law and/or don't know the law?
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People like you should obey the law and then they might not have to worry about being in the mix.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
People like you should obey the law and then they might not have to worry about being in the mix.
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I obey constitutional laws. all the other ones that aren't are properly ignored.

and I deal with 'NO' just fine. I use it alot. I'll just consider you all butt hurt that I don't have the same respect for law enforcement that you do.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
I obey constitutional laws. all the other ones that aren't are properly ignored.

and I deal with 'NO' just fine. I use it alot. I'll just consider you all butt hurt that I don't have the same respect for law enforcement that you do.
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Then don't get all butt hurt, when you get stopped and your attitude gets you looked at, real hard.
But then from what you've said, you'll just blame it on the Police and refuse to take responsibility for yourself.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Then don't get all butt hurt, when you get stopped and your attitude gets you looked at, real hard.
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why would i have an attitude? If i'm dealt with respectfully, then i'll be respectful back. If mr. JBT wants to be shitty, i'll be just as shitty.

USFREEDOM911 said:
But then from what you've said, you'll just blame it on the Police and refuse to take responsibility for yourself.
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and police are NEVER to blame, right? they do NOTHING wrong. I could prove you so wrong, but you know this, don't you?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
please provide your cite for this particular law, because the last that I hear, the US supreme court has said that people have the absolute right to freedom of travel interstate....no papers necessary.
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Each state has the right to make law regarding their state with regards to having picture identification. The age you are required to have such ID may vary by state. Below were easily found google searches that could have satisfied your curiosity ~~~

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify"]Stop and Identify statutes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Here

Here
 
Ice Dancer said:
You cannot, without cause, make someone produce proof of their legal status...that is a far cry from arresting someone who was found to be here illegally AFTER a just cause encounter.
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FIRST SHE SAYS THEY CAN'T...


Ice Dancer said:
Each state has the right to make law regarding their state with regards to having picture identification. The age you are required to have such ID may vary by state.
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THEN SHE SAYS THEY CAN...JEEBUS BUT ICE DANCER IS ONE STOOOOOOOOOOPID VA-JAY-JAY!
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Then don't get all butt hurt, when you get stopped and your attitude gets you looked at, real hard.
But then from what you've said, you'll just blame it on the Police and refuse to take responsibility for yourself.
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Oh come on, you guys. I don't like to see the people I like the best fighting. :(
 
Ice Dancer said:
Each state has the right to make law regarding their state with regards to having picture identification. The age you are required to have such ID may vary by state. Below were easily found google searches that could have satisfied your curiosity ~~~

Stop and Identify statutes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here

Here
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Dear Ice D, you didn't post anything I didn't already know. The stop and identify statutes are not a requirement for a picture ID, but a requirement to identify yourself when necessary. That can be either a picture ID, a utility bill with your name and address on it, or you can even just state your name and address and/or birthdate to the officer. I do appreciate the travel links though. That's some good info to have.
 
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