That Elon Musk guy...

floridafan said:
From your previous post, it would seem that anything done by the Federal government would be considered Communist, yet I say again, that you supported the massive increase in government by the trump administration.
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There was no massive increase in government under Trump. You can blame FDR and the Democrats for that.
Inversion fallacy. Buzzword fallacy. Go learn what 'communist' means.
 
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Into the Night said:
Actually, you're fucked by the ion too. That makes use of cobalt, and even harder to get material than lithium (and a big part of what makes the Li-ion battery so prone to fire). The current base price of a Tesla Model 3 is $46990. Source: Tesla Automotive Co.
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I know but two bigs words when you are dealing with an irrational leftie......
Base price is meaningless. I have never seen one go for less than $60K out the door. Four year old lease returns (which most Tesla buyers are doing) run over $50K plus 7% tax and Lic.
 
Into the Night said:
No. FDR and Democrats gave us massive increase in the size of government. Communism is not a form of government.

Putin is not the people of Russia. I do not support him. Word stuffing. Buzzword fallacies.

You can't lay YOUR problems on anyone else, dude. They are YOUR problems. Inversion fallacy (projection).

Trump is a conservative. He is not communist or even a socialist.
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Address the fact that trump gave us not only a massive increase in the size of government, but also handed us the largest 4 year deficit in our history. Total complete failure
 
Into the Night said:
There was no massive increase in government under Trump. You can blame FDR and the Democrats for that.
Inversion fallacy. Buzzword fallacy. Go learn what 'communist' means.
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You are right it was FDR who blew up the size of government and our deficits during the Trump years. Not once in those 4 years did you ever complain about our deficits, and that was after Trump promised to balance the budget.
 
floridafan said:
You are right it was FDR who blew up the size of government and our deficits during the Trump years. Not once in those 4 years did you ever complain about our deficits, and that was after Trump promised to balance the budget.
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FDR was faced with the great depression. It takes money and inventive programs to fix that Repub disaster. Obama was facing the 2nd great depression. That too took inventive programming to fix the Bush mess and cost money.
The Repubs have been cranking the debt up since Reagan, every fucking time, not once addressing the debt. The Dems have fixed Red messes, including their debts.
 
floridafan said:
Address the fact that trump gave us not only a massive increase in the size of government, but also handed us the largest 4 year deficit in our history. Total complete failure
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Prove that Trump increased the size of government. I know for a fact he didn't.

FDR, Carter, W. Bush, and Obama did. Trump did not.
 
Well now this thread was one big pissing contest?

Who do you think is winning? Who all thinks they won this debate?

I sure wish you people would find something to argue about- LIKE A BUNCH OF RED HAT LADIES AT A MALE STRIP CLUB!
 
Lionfish said:
I know but two bigs words when you are dealing with an irrational leftie......
Base price is meaningless. I have never seen one go for less than $60K out the door. Four year old lease returns (which most Tesla buyers are doing) run over $50K plus 7% tax and Lic.
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Many like to get the autodrive feature, which is $12,000; and the long range battery, or even the 'performance' model (with the 'really long range battery'). The price of that car is $72,190. Source: Tesla Automotive Co.

Yes, most lease. Since EV's have such terrible resale value, it's probably smart to do it that way.
 
Nordberg said:
FDR was faced with the great depression.
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He CAUSED the great depression.
Nordberg said:
It takes money and inventive programs to fix that Repub disaster.
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FDR was a democrat.
Nordberg said:
Obama was facing the 2nd great depression.
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He caused that depression.
Nordberg said:
That too took inventive programming to fix the Bush mess and cost money.
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Obama didn't do either. He extended that depression for EIGHT YEARS.
Nordberg said:
The Repubs have been cranking the debt up
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CONGRESS has been cranking the debt up.
Nordberg said:
since Reagan, every fucking time, not once addressing the debt.
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Go earlier. It started with FDR.
Nordberg said:
The Dems have fixed Red messes, including their debts.
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Lie. They never did.
 
Into the Night said:
No, it was during the FDR years. Word stuffing.

Yes I did. Congress can't seem to stop spending too much.

He can't. Only Congress has that authority.
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The actions of congress are meaningless unless he signs their spending bills into law, which he did. Never did he use his veto power
 
Phantasmal said:
One right off the top of my head, Space Force
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Okay, but how many agencies did he reduce in size or cut out, hmm? ;)

https://heavy.com/news/2017/03/dona...agencies-cut-pbs-arc-arts-education-homeless/

Also, why did Obama declare NASA some kind of Muslim thing?

"Muslim Outreach", apparently.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obamas-new-mission-for-nasa-reach-out-to-muslim-world

Trump also cut out a lot of the "Czar" bullshit, which is really just giving tptb a government paycheck to all their donors/buddies.
 
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