the 14th Amendment case to bar Trump is much stronger than you think!

The final hurdle in this will be our presently constituted SC and it's not easy to feel hopeful about the route it will take.
 
Jarod said:
It is clear it does and never has required criminal charges, but they know this is real and are terrified.
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The problem is that people on the derp right do not have the slightest clue about how laws and the Constitution work and yet they have loud opinions.

You keep seeing this idea that 'conviction' is key to excluding a POTUS, when 'conviction' in no way impacts a persons eligibility to run. You see people like PmP who thinks laws and Constitutional clauses expire due to non use and thus people that transgress cannot be charged later.

It is like debating Marjorie Greene or Boebert, who have tons of opinions but complete lack of understanding of any and all subject matter they opine on, but it simply never stops them thinking they are correct.

I am embarrassed for PmP if indeed, he is a lawyer with his 'expiring legislation and constitutional clause' theory.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
what a coincidence......2020 was also the first year someone was put in the Oval Office with an uncontitutional election.......
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It has been explained here including to you that certifications of electoral ballots extinguish all claims and potential claims of election law violations thereby rendering the election Constitutionally valid. Were that not the law not only the 2020 election but probably every Presidential election would be forever riddled with them.
 
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QP! said:
lol at your idiocy.

Neither laws nor Constitutional clauses are sole use, because they are crafted in response to an event and not again used for year after due to no similar event.

Understand your stupid argument is that they simply expire or go defunct due to non use, and not that laws or Constitutional clauses need to be repealed or changed or NO MATTER HOW MANY YEARS LATER, if people transgress that law or Constitutional clause, they can and will be charged with it.


There are all sorts of laws that can go decades and decades between charges because the crime is rare. Rare does not mean, it never happens.

You need to be less stupid, or stop claiming to be a lawyer. There has NEVER been a concept such as the one you are pushing that if it is not used for decades then when the crime does occur again later, that law or Constitutional clause is no longer valid due to its lack of use for decades.
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nobody uses them because there are no situations they apply to any more....
 
QP! said:
You base dunce, stop trying to suggest Laws and Constitutional clauses time out, and are no longer in force, if not used for long periods, because no one has committed that specific crime.

It could be 1000 years later and if that law or Constitutional clause has not been repealed and the action that triggers it not done, that is sits quietly, in force and in place and perfectly applicable when that crime is done, for use and charging.

You have no comprehension on how laws or the Constitution works, thinking they simply expire, if not used, as you keep arguing.
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you guy can pull on each other's dicks as much as you want....in the end you know jack shit about the constitution.......
 
martin said:
It has been explained here including to you that certifications of electoral ballots extinguish all preexisting claims and potential claims of election law violations thereby rendering the election Constitutionally valid. Were that not the law not only the 2020 election but probably every Presidential election would be forever riddled with them.
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/shrugs.....and it's been proven to you that the election was unconstitutional........cope.....your Pale Faced Pedophile is different than a real president......
 
QP! said:
Wrong.

You are clearing and continually stating some version of the 14th Amendment requiring criminal charges and a court ruling and that is simply your ignorance.

It requires neither as history demonstrates.

Given that the 14th Amendment, like Impeachment, resides within the legislative branch the FACTS that both the House leader and the Senate Leader, publically, acknowledge the then President, Trump's role in the Jan6th insurrection. That means Trump went against his oath to protect and follow the Constitution, and he failed in his role as POTUS on his most core duty.






In terms of what in the Political process of both the House and Senate that could and should be sufficient to trigger the 14th, it is the Supreme Court that will have to decide that. But I see no path that they set boundaries that reach the level of seriousness and culpability, then both the House and Senate leaders, taking the floor of their chambers, and specifically citing the blame the POTUS has for the attempted insurrection that took place and Trumps accountability for it.

If the SC acknowledges the 14th does reside within Congress and does not require Judicial or Executive branch findings, then it will be near impossible for them to set any boundaries that Trumps actions, as cited, do not meet or exceed that threshold.
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Impeachment is a seperate issue
 
QP! said:
Again you are confusing an 'conviction', which is enacted by the Executive (DoJ) and completed in the judiciary with a Political process, the very thing you deny doing in the post above.

Convictions DO NOT make any one ineligible for running for POTUS. it has zero impact.

Again, in the legislative branch, due to separation of powers, you see POTUS can be BANNED from holding office via Article 1 impeachment, which requires no charges (DoJ) or conviction (Courts).

So you keep repeating a fundamental lack of understanding of the Constitution and separation of powers.


'Conviction" in the Judiciary, has no impact on eligibility.
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He is innocent until proven guilty. Notice it is in the courts in Colorado now

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/c...s-effort-to-keep-trump-off-the-primary-ballot
 
America said:
That's...not how indictments work.
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It's not how they work under a Constitutional Republic, but your Reich has ended the Constitution.

The Weaponized department of injustice under Heinrich Garland has mobilized the STASI to take out the opposition candidate in the 2024 election using any means possible. Merrick Himmler conducted a raid on the home of the last Legitimate president as a prelude to arresting the opposition, on behalf of his boss, "the big guy" of the Biden Crime Family. Hitman Jack now leads the squad to end free and fair elections, because the Reich knows they can't win without cheating.

Biden has turned America into a third world banana republic. He joins the ranks of Idi Amin and Pol Pot in his style of ruling.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
It's not how they work under a Constitutional Republic, but your Reich has ended the Constitution.

The Weaponized department of injustice under Heinrich Garland has mobilized the STASI to take out the opposition candidate in the 2024 election using any means possible. Merrick Himmler conducted a raid on the home of the last Legitimate president as a prelude to arresting the opposition, on behalf of his boss, "the big guy" of the Biden Crime Family. Hitman Jack now leads the squad to end free and fair elections, because the Reich knows they can't win without cheating.

Biden has turned America into a third world banana republic. He joins the ranks of Ida Amin and Pol Pot in his style of ruling.
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Terrorists no longer need to target the US the domestic terrorists have done the work for them.
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
nobody uses them because there are no situations they apply to any more....
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And FINALLY the light breaks thru and PMP understands what i was schooling him on and that he was wrong, and he starts the back pedaling from his prior stated position.

Every can see above he is not admitting the 14th is applicable as long as the situation (crime) occurs again and then they (the 14th) can be used.

His prior position was the 14th was a sole use amendment intended only to ever be used for the civil war and not applicable to any future "situations" that would occur. He was arguing prior that even if another Insurrection was to occur that he would agree was an insurrection, the 14th would not be applicable as it was for sole use only, on the civil war.

It took a lot of legal schooling by me to him, but as always it eventually gets in and PmP tries to shift his position to mirror mine.
 
ptif219 said:
There needs to be a legal action to say he is not eligible
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demonstrable false.


The 14th has been used throughout US history to disqualify people from office with no legal action as it specifically does not require it, like Impeachment does not.

The US has this thing called Separation of Powers which delineates certain powers to each branch not requiring the other branches intervention. The 14th and IMpeachment both fall to the Legislative Branch.

ptif219 said:
Impeachment is a seperate issue
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It is. So what? They are both within the powers of the Legislative branch as factual case history demonstrates.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
It's not how they work under a Constitutional Republic, but your Reich has ended the Constitution.

The Weaponized department of injustice under Heinrich Garland has mobilized the STASI to take out the opposition candidate in the 2024 election using any means possible. Merrick Himmler conducted a raid on the home of the last Legitimate president as a prelude to arresting the opposition, on behalf of his boss, "the big guy" of the Biden Crime Family. Hitman Jack now leads the squad to end free and fair elections, because the Reich knows they can't win without cheating.

Biden has turned America into a third world banana republic. He joins the ranks of Idi Amin and Pol Pot in his style of ruling.
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Retard.
 
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