The 3 Trillion Dollar War

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But don't forget to whine about any program that might actually save and improve lives "How are you going to payyyyyy for thaaatttt"!!

Pissing away money to murder people? Not a problem. How much does it cost? Who cares! It's a mere bag of shells, a mere bag of shells.

Bob Herbet

We’ve been hearing a lot about “Saturday Night Live” and the fun it has been having with the presidential race. But hardly a whisper has been heard about a Congressional hearing in Washington last week on a topic that could have been drawn, in all its tragic monstrosity, from the theater of the absurd.

The war in Iraq will ultimately cost U.S. taxpayers not hundreds of billions of dollars, but an astonishing $2 trillion, and perhaps more. There has been very little in the way of public conversation, even in the presidential campaigns, about the consequences of these costs, which are like a cancer inside the American economy.

On Thursday, the Joint Economic Committee, chaired by Senator Chuck Schumer, conducted a public examination of the costs of the war. The witnesses included the Nobel Prize-winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz (who believes the overall costs of the war — not just the cost to taxpayers — will reach $3 trillion), and Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International.

Both men talked about large opportunities lost because of the money poured into the war. “For a fraction of the cost of this war,” said Mr. Stiglitz, “we could have put Social Security on a sound footing for the next half-century or more.”

Mr. Hormats mentioned Social Security and Medicare, saying that both could have been put “on a more sustainable basis.” And he cited the committee’s own calculations from last fall that showed that the money spent on the war each day is enough to enroll an additional 58,000 children in Head Start for a year, or make a year of college affordable for 160,000 low-income students through Pell Grants, or pay the annual salaries of nearly 11,000 additional border patrol agents or 14,000 more police officers.

What we’re getting instead is the stuff of nightmares. Mr. Stiglitz, a professor at Columbia, has been working with a colleague at Harvard, Linda Bilmes, to document, among other things, some of the less obvious costs of the war. These include the obligation to provide health care and disability benefits for returning veterans. Those costs will be with us for decades.

Mr. Stiglitz noted that nearly 40 percent of the 700,000 troops from the first gulf war, which lasted just a month, have become eligible for disability benefits. The current war is approaching five years in duration.

“Imagine then,” said Mr. Stiglitz, “what a war — that will almost surely involve more than 2 million troops and will almost surely last more than six or seven years — will cost. Already we are seeing large numbers of returning veterans showing up at V.A. hospitals for treatment, large numbers applying for disability and large numbers with severe psychological problems.”

The Bush administration has tried its best to conceal the horrendous costs of the war. It has bypassed the normal budgetary process, financing the war almost entirely through “emergency” appropriations that get far less scrutiny.

Even the most basic wartime information is difficult to come by. Mr. Stiglitz, who has written a new book with Ms. Bilmes called “The Three Trillion Dollar War,” said they had to go to veterans’ groups, who in turn had to resort to the Freedom of Information Act, just to find out how many Americans had been injured in Iraq.

Mr. Stiglitz and Mr. Hormats both addressed the foolhardiness of waging war at the same time that the government is cutting taxes and sharply increasing non-war-related expenditures.

Mr. Hormats told the committee:

“Normally, when America goes to war, nonessential spending programs are reduced to make room in the budget for the higher costs of the war. Individual programs that benefit specific constituencies are sacrificed for the common good ... And taxes have never been cut during a major American war. For example, President Eisenhower adamantly resisted pressure from Senate Republicans for a tax cut during the Korean War.”

Said Mr. Stiglitz: “Because the administration actually cut taxes as we went to war, when we were already running huge deficits, this war has, effectively, been entirely financed by deficits. The national debt has increased by some $2.5 trillion since the beginning of the war, and of this, almost $1 trillion is due directly to the war itself ... By 2017, we estimate that the national debt will have increased, just because of the war, by some $2 trillion.”

Some former presidents — Washington, Franklin Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower — were quoted at the hearing on the need for accountability and shared sacrifice during wartime. But this is the 21st century. That ancient rhetoric can hardly be expected to compete for media attention, even in a time of war, with the giddy fun of S.N.L.

It’s a new era.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/opinion/04herbert.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
 
Eliminate fiat currency and this kind of idiocy is not even possible. Human society depends on the elimination of fiat currency and the disproportionate power it gives the military industrial complex.
 
If we were supposedly running a surplus in 2001 and we went to war in October 2001 how were we already running huge deficits? You can say we were headed to deficits in '01 because of the recession and then 9/11 but saying we were running huge deficits is outright dishonest.
 
Eliminate fiat currency and this kind of idiocy is not even possible. Human society depends on the elimination of fiat currency and the disproportionate power it gives the military industrial complex.

If you eliminated fiat currency the credit industry would go under. Can't have that!
 
If we were supposedly running a surplus in 2001 and we went to war in October 2001 how were we already running huge deficits? You can say we were headed to deficits in '01 because of the recession and then 9/11 but saying we were running huge deficits is outright dishonest.

This is about the Iraq war Cawacko. It specifies that.

and that began in March of 2003.
 
Five years and three trillion dollars.


How many more years will this go on?

It has not been $3 trillion in five years. They are projecting both the cost of Afghanistan and Iraq wars combined could reach $3 trillion.
 
does the article anywhere say we have spent $3 trillion in Iraq in five years?

No, it's saying that 2 billion is being projected, and that Nobel Prize-winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz has just written a book, projecting three billion.
 
OH well. We gotta do what we gotta do. Charging interest is not a legitimate career.

We won't have to do a thing. It will happen when the gold backed dinar replaces the dollar....Americans will need a wheelbarrow full of dollars to buy a loaf of bread.
 
i always wonder something about the iraq war figures i see.

it costs money to have a military regardless of where they are.. America or iraq. is that figure they tout around include the 'base' expense of a military? or are they now just trying to tag what we would have spent anyways to iraq? I cant find the answer anywhere.
 
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