The AZ illegals just got screwed

WinterBorn said:
Excuse me? You are saying that they are not criminals, they just broke a few laws????

WTF?
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undocumented aliens are NOT charged with a crime for their first entry. It is a civil process and if you are found to be here without inspection then you are sent home, usually with a restriction on re-entry for some period of time. Only a subsequent re-entry without inspection is a criminal offense. So technically, under US law, many undocumented aliens are not criminals.
 
RStringfield said:
Not all illegal immigrants are criminals. The propaganda of the right has clearly confused many people on this issue, even Arizona police officers.
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They cannot be criminally prosecuted...but they CAN be deported and even refused re-entry for non compliance to the law! It's really a moot point if any point at all. When they stay on an expired visa they are here illegally. The penalty is not prosecuatable criminally as it is for those illegals who entered illegally...but they are still illegals nonetheless!
 
Ass Cancer said:
We on the Right don't actually want to get rid of the cheap laborers we import, we just want to stop them getting uppity like the Negroes did.

White folks just want to use the cops to put the fear of God in 'em so they'll work cheap and do whatever we tell 'em without complaining.

That's the bottom line.

The fact is they wouldn't be here if we didn't exploit them to do the jobs we won't do for less than legal pay in less than legal conditions, so all this BS about respecting the "law" is crap.

You know it's true.
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I was thinking of this before but you remind me again, it all makes one think of "The Grapes of Wrath."
 
Ice Dancer said:
They cannot be criminally prosecuted...but they CAN be deported and even refused re-entry for non compliance to the law! It's really a moot point if any point at all. When they stay on an expired visa they are here illegally. The penalty is not prosecuatable criminally as it is for those illegals who entered illegally...but they are still illegals nonetheless!
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What the hell are you talking about? Illegal immigrants are criminals is propaganda spread by the anti immigration forces. It is certainly not a moot point that that is not true.

It is also not a moot point in the way laws may be applied to them and leos may interact with them. It means lack of documentation is not probable cause of a crime because one can admit they are illegally present and that is still not probable cause of the crime of illegal entry (Gonzales v Peoria).

It is not a moot point, dumbfuck. It's going to a primary reason this law will be shot down or shot full of holes.
 
RStringfield said:
What the hell are you talking about? Illegal immigrants are criminals is propaganda spread by the anti immigration forces. It is certainly not a moot point that that is not true.

It is also not a moot point in the way laws may be applied to them and leos may interact with them. It means lack of documentation is not probable cause of a crime because one can admit they are illegally present and that is still not probable cause of the crime of illegal entry (Gonzales v Peoria).

It is not a moot point, dumbfuck. It's going to a primary reason this law will be shot down or shot full of holes.
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The fact that our laws need to be streamlined to include any persons here illegally is not under dispute. I freely acknowledge that the ability to currently charge overstayed illegals criminally is true...That said they ARE STILL ILLEGALS! Rounding them up and deporting them and refusing re-entry is due to their illegal status! They are breaking a civil statute, if not judiciously crimminal it is still illegal! SO, IMO, Your point is MOOT! Your differentiation silly! Congress attempted to correct this ridiculous differentiation in 2006 and senate democrats shit all over it!
 
Ice Dancer said:
The fact that our laws need to be streamlined to include any persons here illegally is not under dispute. I freely acknowledge that the ability to currently charge overstayed illegals criminally is true...That said they ARE STILL ILLEGALS! Rounding them up and deporting them and refusing re-entry is due to their illegal status! They are breaking a civil statute, if not judiciously crimminal it is still illegal! SO, IMO, Your point is MOOT! Your differentiation silly! Congress attempted to correct this ridiculous differentiation in 2006 and senate democrats shit all over it!
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Because it would have been a nightmare for the courts. That's not going to streamline anything you, idiot. Do you know what kind of resources would be required to prosecute these newly created crimes? I hate to say it, but Rudy, again, was correct on this. But, then he is not one of the Republicans living under a rock. The attempts to criminalize illegal presence are about "streamlining" GOP propaganda to reality. It's just a political stunt. It's passage would do nothing but clog the courts and bog down the enforcement of immigration laws.
 
RStringfield said:
Because it would have been a nightmare for the courts. That's not going to streamline anything you, idiot. Do you know what kind of resources would be required to prosecute these newly created crimes? I hate to say it, but Rudy, again, was correct on this. But, then he is not one of the Republicans living under a rock. The attempts to criminalize illegal presence are about "streamlining" GOP propaganda to reality. It's just a political stunt. It's passage would do nothing but clog the courts and bog down the enforcement of immigration laws.
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I assume you are aware that when someone is found to be in the country illegally, that they are going to see a Judge regardless; unless it's their first time and they voluntarilly deport.
Those under 18 have to see a Judge, no matter what.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So a source that has a vested in interest in these "unauthorized migrants" makes a claim and BOY-HOWDY, it must be correct.
By the way, the report is from 2006 and is slightly outdated; but just remember that "one bad apple" of yours, which makes them all guilty.
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WTF RU talking about with the bad apple?

The report is properly sourced. You can research it and find their error if it exists. Let us know how it goes.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I assume you are aware that when someone is found to be in the country illegally, that they are going to see a Judge regardless; unless it's their first time and they voluntarilly deport.
Those under 18 have to see a Judge, no matter what.
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Yes and the process is FAR MORE EFFICIENT than a criminal proceeding. Streamlining, roflmao. You idiots have no idea what you are talking about.
 
RStringfield said:
WTF RU talking about with the bad apple?[/QUOYE]

I've already said I fucked up on that and that it was SmarterThenYou who made the comment.

RStringfield said:
The report is properly sourced. You can research it and find their error if it exists. Let us know how it goes.
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Sourced from 2006, so like I said; would you have anything more recent and maybe from a source that doesn't have a vested interest in illegals staying in the US.
OOPS, sorry that should have been "Unauthorized Migrants",
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RStringfield said:
Yes and the process is FAR MORE EFFICIENT than a criminal proceeding. Streamlining, roflmao. You idiots have no idea what you are talking about.
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Now you're proposing that it's more efficient when they are seeing a judge for deportation.

Are you even aware of the backlog on deportation; because it could be anywhere from 6 to 9 months.
 
17 suspected illegal immigrants nabbed in search for suspected smugglers who shot Ariz. deputy
05-01-2010 10:40 AM MST *By BOB CHRISTIE, Associated Press Writer
Law officers have apprehended 17 suspected illegal immigrants while hunting for suspected smugglers who shot and wounded a sheriff's deputy in a remote desert area 50 miles south of Phoenix.

Pinal County sheriff's Lt. Tamatha Villar says three of those captured match descriptions given by the deputy. They were being questioned Saturday morning.

The violent episode came amid nationwide debate over the state's tough new immigration law.

Deputy Louie Puroll was patrolling alone Friday afternoon near Interstate 8 when he came upon a stash of marijuana bales and five suspected smugglers. Villar says the smugglers opened fire with AK-47 type rifles, and Puroll returned fire.

The wounded deputy radioed for help, setting off a frantic hour-long search before he was located
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Now you're proposing that it's more efficient when they are seeing a judge for deportation.

Are you even aware of the backlog on deportation; because it could be anywhere from 6 to 9 months.
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Of course it is. Criminal proceedings have a greater burden of proof and are therefore are a greater burden on resources. You did not know this?
 
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