The Christ Haters Are At It Again Folks.

Guille said:
You think I'm a Christian, don't you? Jesus can kiss my ass, the jews can kiss my ass, and so can Shatner. Star Trek sucks.
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No. I just think you're an asshole. And, obviously, a pig.

But you go right on a'hatin' your way through life and I'll go right on a'laughin' at you for it. Deal?
 
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Originally Posted by domer76


The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...
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Domer may be on my shit list, but his post should be food for thought for some only because it illustrates a valid point
....I'm somewhat of an agnostic myself and the Bible is more of a primitive history book to me...some myths, some legends, some probable history with likely truth,
early customs of the writers, etc....

when you can explain where the first atom and its components came from or have a visit from an angel, by all means, let the world know.

Arguing about religion is useless exercise....it yields no winners and just pisses people off every time....

There are believers and non believers, just let go at that.....
 
philly rabbit said:
Why don't you people just give it a rest. The more you whine, the more you make the point of the OP. All of you refuse to coexist with a spiritual Christian America which lies on the cornerstones of the Hebrew Bible. So you persist with bashing a FAITH none of you think exists and faith based people that you wish would disappear into thin air.
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You miss the point entirely.

I went through the entire childhood in schools where the Bible was read before the day began. Yep. And all the Virgin Mary birth shit. Bethlehem. The manger bullshit. 3 kings of the orient guided by that star. All wonderful stories if you have the mentality of a 10 year old. Like Ralphie and Prophet here.

My advice? Keep all that juvenile bullshit within your own cult. Then, we're all fine. But don't come on a public forum like this and try to sell me the bullshit that Mommy was a virgin, that he rose people from the dead and walked on water. And, according to Ralphie, that it's "science".

Go to church. Pray to whatever the fuck god you think will give you some eternal life. Give your money to that church that proclaims your god needs that money as a demonstration of your "faith". But don't come here, piss in my leg and tell me it's raining. I know better.

(Would that be raining for 40 days and 40 nights? That's a lot of piss!)
 
NOVA said:
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Originally Posted by domer76


The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...
(Return to top)





Domer may be on my shit list, but his post should be food for thought for some only because it illustrates a valid point
....I'm somewhat of an agnostic myself and the Bible is more of a primitive history book to me...some myths, some legends, some probable history with likely truth,
early customs of the writers, etc....

when you can explain where the first atom and its components came from or have a visit from an angel, by all means, let the world know.

Arguing about religion is useless exercise....it yields no winners and just pisses people off every time....

There are believers and non believers, just let go at that.....
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As long as your religion is used as a method of specifying how I must behave, I can't possibly consider letting this go.
 
WillReadmore said:
I tend to agree with you. But, you, too, are overstating your case.

Throughout the history of America, living together with our different beliefs has NEVER been good enough for YOU!

I'm fine with there being people around who share your beliefs. I have no problem with laws that require Christians to be served in stores and otherwise be treated as equals. I'm OK with Christians choosing not to marry someone of the same sex. I'm OK with people who choose not to have an abortion. I' fine with hospitals operating under state and/or federal certification being required to serve Christians. etc., etc.

If you choose to live your own life, I'm fine with that.

BUT, until you accept ME do NOT give me your disgusting hypocritical "coexist" CRAP!!!
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I think the misconception here is equating the sin with the sinner. If someone robs and beats up a person, I'm called upon as a Christian to love that sinner and hate the sin. God requires me to obey the laws of the land I was born in, so if I am a witness I also have a duty to report the crime and help see justice served for the victim. But, all the while I have to maintain a right attitude and pray for the redemption of the criminal.

So, to your point saved sinners and unsaved sinners will "co-exist" (to live and breathe in close proximity) as human beings. Actions and behaviors will always continue to be judged against the Word of God.....and to a lesser degree by the laws of the land. We wouldn't have laws, courts, judges, lawyers and prisons if this were not so. We are to judge actions. Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

Luke 6:43-45
43 For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
 
Stretch said:
I think the misconception here is equating the sin with the sinner. If someone robs and beats up a person, I'm called upon as a Christian to love that sinner and hate the sin. God requires me to obey the laws of the land I was born in, so if I am a witness I also have a duty to report the crime and help see justice served for the victim. But, all the while I have to maintain a right attitude and pray for the redemption of the criminal.

So, to your point saved sinners and unsaved sinners will "co-exist" (to live and breathe in close proximity) as human beings. Actions and behaviors will always continue to be judged against the Word of God.....and to a lesser degree by the laws of the land. We wouldn't have laws, courts, judges, lawyers and prisons if this were not so. We are to judge actions. Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

Luke 6:43-45
43 For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
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As you point out, there are cases where the "sinner v. sin" dichotomy is significantly important to remember. (And, it doesn't depend on religion in any way.)

More to the point, that is NOT the dichotomy of interest here.

The dichotomy HERE is that there is government law and there is sin. And, those are NOT the same.

You will notice that more than half the 10C are NOT LAWS even though they may be sin. The ones that ARE law are very obviously based NOT just on religion - they originate in multiple religions as well as philosophy absent of religion as behaviors for which there must be a law. Every society will have a law about murder, for example.

And, ZERO of the "seven deadly sins" are law, even though we may all agree that they are certainly 7 significant mistakes individuals may make.

So, you came up with some things you see as sin, and then you decided you want to make them laws that affect nonChristians even though Christianity is the ONLY JUSTIFICATION for the law.


In fact, in one case (abortion) NOBODY in the USA likes the act in question. The disagreement entirely surrounds the approach. If the absolutism could be put aside, it would be far more possible for people to discuss ways of reducing the number of abortions.
 
WillReadmore said:
As you point out, there are cases where the "sinner v. sin" dichotomy is significantly important to remember. (And, it doesn't depend on religion in any way.)

More to the point, that is NOT the dichotomy of interest here.

The dichotomy HERE is that there is government law and there is sin. And, those are NOT the same.

You will notice that more than half the 10C are NOT LAWS even though they may be sin. The ones that ARE law are very obviously based NOT just on religion - they originate in multiple religions as well as philosophy absent of religion as behaviors for which there must be a law. Every society will have a law about murder, for example.

And, ZERO of the "seven deadly sins" are law, even though we may all agree that they are certainly 7 significant mistakes individuals may make.

So, you came up with some things you see as sin, and then you decided you want to make them laws that affect nonChristians even though Christianity is the ONLY JUSTIFICATION for the law.


In fact, in one case (abortion) NOBODY in the USA likes the act in question. The disagreement entirely surrounds the approach. If the absolutism could be put aside, it would be far more possible for people to discuss ways of reducing the number of abortions.
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There is one common thread though in breaking government laws and God's laws. Pride. Breaking any law is a result of "I know better than _____ (fill in the blank).
 
Stretch said:
There is one common thread though in breaking government laws and God's laws. Pride. Breaking any law is a result of "I know better than _____ (fill in the blank).
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I've heard that, too, but I don't give it any credit. Nobody who burgles thinks their act should be legal. Very few murderers think they should be allowed to murder.

More importantly, that isn't the area of conflict.

The area of conflict is that Christians want to use sin as a basis for law, thus harnessing government as well as justifying personal acts of hate in going after those who sin.

But, of course they don't mean that in general - they've just picked certain sins for government to be used in that way.

For example, Christians want to use government to deny basic rights to same sex couples - while at the same time ignoring those who stole the homes of millions of American citizens.

They want cover of law to discriminate in their stores, restaurants, hotels, etc. as if this were the 1950's and these people were of the wrong color.
 
As I said, whether it's breaking God's laws OR government's law the root is based in pride. As a citizen of the U.S.A., I am to obey the government's laws unless it conflicts with God's laws. That's all I'm saying.
 
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