The Consequences of Plastic Bag Bans

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Is it worth it? Plastic bag bans will result in the death of some small amount of people. Actions to prevent the increased risks may reduce the enviromental benefits of reusable bags.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-04/the-disgusting-consequences-of-liberal-plastic-bag-bans.html


Most alarmingly, the industry has highlighted news reports linking reusable shopping bags to the spread of disease. Like this one, from the Los Angeles Times last May: “A reusable grocery bag left in a hotel bathroom caused an outbreak of norovirus-induced diarrhea and nausea that struck nine of 13 members of a girls’ soccer team in October, Oregon researchers reported Wednesday.” The norovirus may not have political clout, but evidently it, too, is rooting against plastic bags.

Warning of disease may seem like an over-the-top scare tactic, but research suggests there’s more than anecdote behind this industry talking point. In a 2011 study, four researchers examined reusable bags in California and Arizona and found that 51 percent of them contained coliform bacteria. The problem appears to be the habits of the reusers. Seventy-five percent said they keep meat and vegetables in the same bag. When bags were stored in hot car trunks for two hours, the bacteria grew tenfold.

That study also found, happily, that washing the bags eliminated 99.9 percent of the bacteria. It undercut even that good news, though, by finding that 97 percent of people reported that they never wash their bags.

Jonathan Klick and Joshua Wright, who are law professors at the University of Pennsylvania and George Mason University, respectively, have done a more recent study on the public-health impact of plastic-bag bans. They find that emergency-room admissions related to E. coli infections increased in San Francisco after the ban. (Nearby counties did not show this increase.) And this effect showed up as soon as the ban was implemented. (“There is a clear discontinuity at the time of adoption.”) The San Francisco ban was also associated with increases in salmonella and other bacterial infections. Similar effects were found in other California towns that adopted such laws.

Klick and Wright estimate that the San Francisco ban results in a 46 percent increase in deaths from foodborne illnesses, or 5.5 more of them each year. They then run through a cost-benefit analysis employing the same estimate of the value of a human life that the Environmental Protection Agency uses when evaluating regulations that are supposed to save lives. They conclude that the anti-plastic-bag policies can’t pass the test -- and that’s before counting the higher health-care costs they generate.

The authors argue, not completely convincingly, against the idea that regular washing and drying of reusable bags would solve the problem. They point out that the use of hot water and detergent imposes environmental costs, too. And reusable bags require more energy to make than plastic ones. The stronger argument, it seems to me, is that 97 percent figure: Whatever the merits of regularly cleaning the bags, it doesn’t appear likely to happen.

The best course for government, then, is probably to encourage people to recycle their plastic bags -- or, maybe, just let people make their own decisions. Plastic-bag bans are another on a distressingly long list of political issues where I cannot see eye to eye with Eva Longoria.
 
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Is it worth it? Plastic bag bans will result in the death of some small amount of people. Actions to prevent the increased risks may reduce the enviromental benefits of reusable bags.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-04/the-disgusting-consequences-of-liberal-plastic-bag-bans.html


Most alarmingly, the industry has highlighted news reports linking reusable shopping bags to the spread of disease. Like this one, from the Los Angeles Times last May: “A reusable grocery bag left in a hotel bathroom caused an outbreak of norovirus-induced diarrhea and nausea that struck nine of 13 members of a girls’ soccer team in October, Oregon researchers reported Wednesday.” The norovirus may not have political clout, but evidently it, too, is rooting against plastic bags.

Warning of disease may seem like an over-the-top scare tactic, but research suggests there’s more than anecdote behind this industry talking point. In a 2011 study, four researchers examined reusable bags in California and Arizona and found that 51 percent of them contained coliform bacteria. The problem appears to be the habits of the reusers. Seventy-five percent said they keep meat and vegetables in the same bag. When bags were stored in hot car trunks for two hours, the bacteria grew tenfold.

That study also found, happily, that washing the bags eliminated 99.9 percent of the bacteria. It undercut even that good news, though, by finding that 97 percent of people reported that they never wash their bags.

Jonathan Klick and Joshua Wright, who are law professors at the University of Pennsylvania and George Mason University, respectively, have done a more recent study on the public-health impact of plastic-bag bans. They find that emergency-room admissions related to E. coli infections increased in San Francisco after the ban. (Nearby counties did not show this increase.) And this effect showed up as soon as the ban was implemented. (“There is a clear discontinuity at the time of adoption.”) The San Francisco ban was also associated with increases in salmonella and other bacterial infections. Similar effects were found in other California towns that adopted such laws.

Klick and Wright estimate that the San Francisco ban results in a 46 percent increase in deaths from foodborne illnesses, or 5.5 more of them each year. They then run through a cost-benefit analysis employing the same estimate of the value of a human life that the Environmental Protection Agency uses when evaluating regulations that are supposed to save lives. They conclude that the anti-plastic-bag policies can’t pass the test -- and that’s before counting the higher health-care costs they generate.

The authors argue, not completely convincingly, against the idea that regular washing and drying of reusable bags would solve the problem. They point out that the use of hot water and detergent imposes environmental costs, too. And reusable bags require more energy to make than plastic ones. The stronger argument, it seems to me, is that 97 percent figure: Whatever the merits of regularly cleaning the bags, it doesn’t appear likely to happen.

The best course for government, then, is probably to encourage people to recycle their plastic bags -- or, maybe, just let people make their own decisions. Plastic-bag bans are another on a distressingly long list of political issues where I cannot see eye to eye with Eva Longoria.

Here we go again. Find something to fight then trawl the internet to find just one report supporting you and extrapolate it.
If manufacturers made bags biodegradable it would go part way to alleviating the situation. If they stopped using lead in the manufacture they would also improve matters. But the main problem lies, not in the bags, but in ALL plastics. They enter the environment of wild animals, they form a 'clear and present danger' to the life in the oceans and, even when broken down to microscopic size are in danger of entering the food chain and that could affect you.
If you like eating plastic bags that's up to you. I prefer fish and chips without plastic.
 
Here we go again. Find something to fight then trawl the internet to find just one report supporting you and extrapolate it.
If manufacturers made bags biodegradable it would go part way to alleviating the situation. If they stopped using lead in the manufacture they would also improve matters. But the main problem lies, not in the bags, but in ALL plastics. They enter the environment of wild animals, they form a 'clear and present danger' to the life in the oceans and, even when broken down to microscopic size are in danger of entering the food chain and that could affect you.
If you like eating plastic bags that's up to you. I prefer fish and chips without plastic.

Yeah, I was just interested if anyone wanted to discuss the tradeoffs. I did not trawl anything. It was on reddit and i found it interesting.

You did not really address the issue that reusing bags will have some costs. You mostly threw out some ignorant ad homs.

Reusable bags have had problems with lead.
 
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Here we go again. Find something to fight then trawl the internet to find just one report supporting you and extrapolate it.
If manufacturers made bags biodegradable it would go part way to alleviating the situation. If they stopped using lead in the manufacture they would also improve matters. But the main problem lies, not in the bags, but in ALL plastics. They enter the environment of wild animals, they form a 'clear and present danger' to the life in the oceans and, even when broken down to microscopic size are in danger of entering the food chain and that could affect you.
If you like eating plastic bags that's up to you. I prefer fish and chips without plastic.

Maybe we could ship them all to Hong Kong and the unwashed homeless masses could use them to build their own gated communities.
 
Yeah, I was just interested if anyone wanted to discuss the tradeoffs. I did not trawl anything. It was on reddit and i found it interesting.

You did not really address the issue that reusing bags will have some costs. You mostly threw out some ignorant ad homs.

Reusable bags have had problems with lead.

We have had this controversy for several years. It started when people began to realise that plastic bags were not rotting away in landfills and someone did a count.

In December 2005, the Environmental Protection Department (“EPD” hereafter) commissioned GHK to conduct an “Assessment of the Benefits and Effects of the Plastic Shopping Bag Charging Scheme” (“the Assessment” hereafter). The key tasks included:
(a) to collect data on plastic shopping bags;
(b) to review overseas experience on plastic shopping bag reduction;
(c) to identify options for plastic shopping bag reduction in Hong Kong;
(d) to solicit views from major stakeholders;
(e) to assess the impact of options identified; and
(f) to recommend a way forward for Hong Kong.
In 2005, more than 23 million plastic shopping bags were sent to landfill every day in Hong Kong; equivalent to more than three bags per person per day. Although accounting for just over 3% of MSW and less than 2% of all waste sent to landfill in Hong Kong, plastic shopping bags create additional environmental concerns as they take between 20 and 1,000 years to decompose and release carcinogenic and highly toxic dioxin if burned below 800 degrees Celsius.


Obviously people do not like change so the move to ban and/or tax was unpopular. It attacked the manufacturers and wholesalers so it was doubly unpopular.

You could say that lead saved the day. Everyone knows the hazards associated with lead so as soon as that was publicised the task of switching habits became easier.

Stores now make a charge on plastic bags and we have/had a campaign – remarkably successful – to BYOB (Bring your own bag.)
All in all the campaign has been successful although some of the more traditional businesses still use bags. All the major companies charge for them and have canvas or very heavy plastic bags for sale at checkouts.
 
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