The Constitution is clear about the mail in voting

[AProudLefty]

The Constitution is very clear: only Congress and the states can make laws regarding our elections. The ability to vote by mail is crucial to our democracy. It ensures that voters with disabilities, those without transportation access, working families, those who are deployed or otherwise abroad, and many others who rely on its flexibility can exercise their right to vote.

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[T. A. Gardner]

The Constitution is very clear: only Congress and the states can make laws regarding our elections. The ability to vote by mail is crucial to our democracy. It ensures that voters with disabilities, those without transportation access, working families, those who are deployed or otherwise abroad, and many others who rely on its flexibility can exercise their right to vote.

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The ability to vote by mail should be a last resort, not a first. We should NOT have election seasons but an election day. Voting by mail should be something done only because you have little alternative choice, not because you can't be inconvenienced to stand in line at a polling station, show some ID that you're who you say you are, and vote in person.

All mail-in elections are a sham and an insult to democratic institutions.

 

[Matt Dillon]

The Constitution is very clear: only Congress and the states can make laws regarding our elections. The ability to vote by mail is crucial to our democracy. It ensures that voters with disabilities, those without transportation access, working families, those who are deployed or otherwise abroad, and many others who rely on its flexibility can exercise their right to vote.

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If states want to use the federal mail service for voting, the federal mail service has an obligation to keep the mail secure.
Isn't it grand?

 

[AProudLefty]

The ability to vote by mail should be a last resort, not a first. We should NOT have election seasons but an election day. Voting by mail should be something done only because you have little alternative choice, not because you can't be inconvenienced to stand in line at a polling station, show some ID that you're who you say you are, and vote in person.

All mail-in elections are a sham and an insult to democratic institutions.

Who's inconvenienced?

 

[Matt Dillon]

The Constitution is very clear: only Congress and the states can make laws regarding our elections. The ability to vote by mail is crucial to our democracy. It ensures that voters with disabilities, those without transportation access, working families, those who are deployed or otherwise abroad, and many others who rely on its flexibility can exercise their right to vote.

ACLU Condemns President Trump’s Executive Order Attempting to Restrict Mail-In Voting | American Civil Liberties Union

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) condemns President Trump’s new unlawful executive order attempting to restrict mail-in...

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Yes, and we wouldn't want them getting disenfranchised, now would we?
It's like this, Fucktardus Moronicus: If States want to use the Federal Mail Service for voting, the Federal Mail Service can make sure everything is legit. Mail fraud is a crime.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Who's inconvenienced?

Obviously quite a number of Democrats, among others. They seemingly can't be bothered to have to produce an ID to vote or proof of citizenship to register to vote, bitch about having to stand in line at the polls, and generally whine that, it seems, someone isn't filling out their ballot for them, collecting it, and turning it in to be counted. They appear to be the ultimate couch potato and shut-in combination.

 

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The ability to vote by mail should be a last resort, not a first. We should NOT have election seasons but an election day. Voting by mail should be something done only because you have little alternative choice, not because you can't be inconvenienced to stand in line at a polling station, show some ID that you're who you say you are, and vote in person.

All mail-in elections are a sham and an insult to democratic institutions.

You are aware eight States including ruby red Utah have all mail elections or universal mail in voting where voting is conducted primarily by mail and all eligible voters receive a ballot by default. None of these States have recorded major problems

Indictments of mail in voting, or any of Trump’s election claims, never existed to any serious or even measurable levels pre Trump, and what is occurring now exists solely without documentation on Trump’s unproven assertions. Even the chance of disenfranchising any voter based on unfounded allegations is in itself undemocratic and unethical

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You are aware eight States including ruby red Utah have all mail elections or universal mail in voting where voting is conducted primarily by mail and all eligible voters receive a ballot by default. None of these States have recorded major problems

Indictments of mail in voting, or any of Trump’s election claims, never existed to any serious or even measurable levels pre Trump, and what is occurring now exists solely without documentation on Trump’s unproven assertions. Even the chance of disenfranchising any voter based on unfounded allegations is in itself undemocratic and unethical

Doesn't change what I stated. Mail-in elections and election seasons are a bad thing. Voting should be done on a single day, maybe over two consecutive ones at most. The idea of voting over most of a month or more is a bad thing in that it allows all candidates and their parties to campaign while voting is going on.

It's like letting juries watch the trial over a Zoom conference and vote at any point during it.

 

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If states want to use the federal mail service for voting, the federal mail service has an obligation to keep the mail secure.
Isn't it grand?

Trump voted by mail in ballot last week, as do a lot of Florida’s gated communities, and he didn’t mail in

 

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Doesn't change what I stated. Mail-in elections and election seasons are a bad thing. Voting should be done on a single day, maybe over two consecutive ones at most. The idea of voting over most of a month or more is a bad thing in that it allows all candidates and their parties to campaign while voting is going on.

It's like letting juries watch the trial over a Zoom conference and vote at any point during it.

You, nor Trump, have no proof “mail in ballots and election seasons are a bad thing,” yet there is plenty of evidence indicating the opposite. Saying such is all based on false accusations largely originating from Trump

And by the way, back in the day, people voted for over two months

 

[BartenderElite]

The ability to vote by mail should be a last resort, not a first. We should NOT have election seasons but an election day. Voting by mail should be something done only because you have little alternative choice, not because you can't be inconvenienced to stand in line at a polling station, show some ID that you're who you say you are, and vote in person.

All mail-in elections are a sham and an insult to democratic institutions.

Why should it be a "last resort?"

Because you think so? Is there anything Constitutionally related to that statement?

 

[AProudLefty]

Doesn't change what I stated. Mail-in elections and election seasons are a bad thing. Voting should be done on a single day, maybe over two consecutive ones at most. The idea of voting over most of a month or more is a bad thing in that it allows all candidates and their parties to campaign while voting is going on.

It's like letting juries watch the trial over a Zoom conference and vote at any point during it.

So show the fraud.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You, nor Trump, have no proof “mail in ballots and election seasons are a bad thing,” yet there is plenty of evidence indicating the opposite. Saying such is all based on false accusations largely originating from Trump

And by the way, back in the day, people voted for over two months

Your deflection amounts to a non-response here.

 

[Tbird19482]

The Constitution is very clear: only Congress and the states can make laws regarding our elections. The ability to vote by mail is crucial to our democracy. It ensures that voters with disabilities, those without transportation access, working families, those who are deployed or otherwise abroad, and many others who rely on its flexibility can exercise their right to vote.

ACLU Condemns President Trump’s Executive Order Attempting to Restrict Mail-In Voting | American Civil Liberties Union

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) condemns President Trump’s new unlawful executive order attempting to restrict mail-in...

www.aclu.org

The CONSTITUTION states that it is up to the states legislatures to decide how they want to appoint their delegates to the EC to elect the President.
If they decide they want to use mail in voting they can it is NOT up to the federal government to tell them how they have to run their elections, the state legislature can just decide to appoint their delegates themselves without even holding elections, but I am sure if they decided to do this they would not have a job for long.
As I said it is right in the Constitution.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So show the fraud.

Not the point.

 

[AProudLefty]

Not the point.

I thought that was Trump's point?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I thought that was Trump's point?

Maybe, but not mine.

 

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Your deflection amounts to a non-response here.

Not a deflection, you want radical changes to the existing election infrastructure because you think there is threatening fraud in the system, yet, you can not show us documented proof that what you claim actually exists. Nor can Trump or his surrogates, even though they have attempted umpteen times, all debunked

Fact, not deflection

 

[Nordberg]

The ability to vote by mail should be a last resort, not a first. We should NOT have election seasons but an election day. Voting by mail should be something done only because you have little alternative choice, not because you can't be inconvenienced to stand in line at a polling station, show some ID that you're who you say you are, and vote in person.

All mail-in elections are a sham and an insult to democratic institutions.

Mail-in is very accurate since it undergoes the same procedures that in-person does. You should volunteer to work in your local elections. You might learn something. You are so wrong.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not a deflection, you want radical changes to the existing election infrastructure because you think there is threatening fraud in the system, yet, you can not show us documented proof that what you claim actually exists. Nor can Trump or his surrogates, even though they have attempted umpteen times, all debunked

Fact, not deflection

Requiring ID to register to vote and to vote, along with voting in person, are not radical changes. All mail-in voting is a radical change. Voting 'seasons' weeks long is a radical change. And, yes I think there is a degree of fraud in the system.

With all mail-in balloting you don't know who filled out any particular ballot. The only verification for that is a signature on it that has to have a low probability of a match. With weeks to vote it is easily possible that any number of scenarios occur where a ballot is filled out fraudulently.

Toss in ballot harvesting where political party operatives are legally allowed to collect ballots from voters for turn in. There's no supervision or control on their actions from the time they receive said ballot and when they turn it in, if they bother to.

Same day, no ID required voter registration is another thing rife for fraud. No ID in person voting is yet another.

Severe restrictions on purging voter rolls is still another way to get massive fraud. Since political parties have access to voter names and party they can use those bloated rolls in all sorts of fraudulent schemes given they have weeks to carry them out.

California allows 16- and 17-year-olds to "pre-register" to vote now. They legally can't vote until they're 18 however.... How stupid is that? Why can't they register to vote at 18 and not clog the voter rolls with persons that are ineligible to vote?

Your claim that it's rare is based on known cases. This is based on a combination of Ludic and McNamara fallacies. In the past, claims were that Medicare and other government welfare programs were mostly fraud free. We've seen in the last year or two how that claim is clearly fallacious. The fraud was there but undiscovered. In a voting system where much of it is done unsupervised and with plenty of time and means to commit massive fraud, it is possible, even likely, that massive fraud is occurring but simply goes undetected because the system in place allows, even helps, hiding it.