The death of the Republican party.

cawacko said:
Polls one year out before a vote has been cast in the primary have a long history of not being accurate.

And democratic socialism is a pejorative. There's a reason the U.S. is the world's economic power and it's not because of democratic socialism. Europe is already having economic and demographic challenges. Let's see them take on the leading military role in the world as well and see how well their form of socialism stands up.
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I wouldn't say that. They are probably accurate at the time they were taken. A lot can happen between then and an election. Who would have predicted that Romney's campaign would be submarined by an ill advised comment at a private fund raiser.

I'm saying that state level polls, evaluated collectively provides better predicting data for POTUS than national polls where a representative number of people across the nation are selected as a sample population. The data though has better qualitative value when representative samples from each State are selected to create the data population set.

As for the vitriol on socialism spare me the strawman argument and the irrelevant ad hom on Europe. U.S. Democrats from the 1930's until late 80's were Social Democrats. I lived through 30 of those years and I never witnessed that first communist revolution over here. Ever! Bernie is just another welfare state liberal like Ted Kennedy and Howard Metzenbaum but he's hardly the second coming of Ho Chi Mhin. Hubert Humphrey maybe, but not Ho Chi Mhin.
 
transwarpdrive said:
Repeat post from another thread:

The problem with the GOP is that it is comprised of basically 3 parts, the 1st two of which have no business being in it: the religious/social fanatics, the business/US chamber of commerce wing, and the true small government/low-tax conservatives.

As long as the 1st one (business wing) is included in the GOP, it will never be a true conservative, rational party. The corporates support endless illegal immigrants which destroys the country's social fabric and middle class, corporate welfare which is fundamentally wrong unless for true R&D, endless wars for the MIC, and monopolist corporations like Verizon/Time Warner which drive the cost of cell phones and cable TV higher with worse product than elsewhere around the world.

If the GOP were to outright expel the business/religious wings, take a centrist position on social issues like abortion, and a conservative one on fiscal issues and immigration, it would be the majority party for the next 100 years. But the current leadership is beholden to large campaign donations, so it would rather be a fragmented, opposition party than a majority, successful one.

It is imperative that the next president stop illegal immigration and deport all of the illegals, and terminate lunatic, job-destroying programs such as the H1-B scam that have enriched a few at the top and obliterated the middle class. Trump is the only candidate who has taken such a stand which is why he is so popular and will likely win the general election.
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I don't know about all your diatribe but I agree on this. H1-B visas gotta go.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I wouldn't say that. They are probably accurate at the time they were taken. A lot can happen between then and an election. Who would have predicted that Romney's campaign would be submarined by an ill advised comment at a private fund raiser.

I'm saying that state level polls, evaluated collectively provides better predicting data for POTUS than national polls where a representative number of people across the nation are selected as a sample population. The data though has better qualitative value when representative samples from each State are selected to create the data population set.

As for the vitriol on socialism spare me the strawman argument and the irrelevant ad hom on Europe. U.S. Democrats from the 1930's until late 80's were Social Democrats. I lived through 30 of those years and I never witnessed that first communist revolution over here. Ever! Bernie is just another welfare state liberal like Ted Kennedy and Howard Metzenbaum but he's hardly the second coming of Ho Chi Mhin. Hubert Humphrey maybe, but not Ho Chi Mhin.
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Ho Chi Mhin? WTF? Bernie wants European style socialism. It's why he keeps referencing Norway. That's not a strawman. Hillary even called him out on it.
 
cawacko said:
Ho Chi Mhin? WTF? Bernie wants European style socialism. It's why he keeps referencing Norway. That's not a strawman. Hillary even called him out on it.
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How's that any different than Ted Kennedy or Howard Metzenbaum? You're missing my point Wacko!!

Wacko...put some historical perspective into this. On tax policy Bernie is to the right of Dwight Eisenhower.
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Jarod said:
In the school of thought that defines parties as networks of actors who have a common purpose, Fox News is easily included as part of the GOP — not just as a sympathetic news outlet, but as a member of the party coalition. So we have a situation where the Republican Party’s polling front-runner is openly feuding with its biggest media outlet. This is not how parties are supposed to work according to many political scientists. - Julia Azari


I have been saying this for months, finally someone in the media agrees. Or is brave enough to say it.



Interested to see how the Republican party is reborn in 2018.
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I thought you believe Republicans walk in lock-step.

Anyway, the latest republican party had to die and it is dying, just like the Democratic party has done. Unfortunately both will and always be re-branded as something else, but with most of the same platform, and lemons will keep voting for them.

As much as I loathe Trump, I sometimes think it would be fun if he became president. This guy doesn't mince words, he is like a late 19th century politician. I wonder at times if this would be a bad thing for our country. He has bad policies, but what if, like Obama he takes the office and then realizes, holy whitehouse, being president is far different from what I thought and then he softens or abandons those bad policies.
 
cawacko said:
Polls one year out before a vote has been cast in the primary have a long history of not being accurate.

And democratic socialism is a pejorative. There's a reason the U.S. is the world's economic power and it's not because of democratic socialism. Europe is already having economic and demographic challenges. Let's see them take on the leading military role in the world as well and see how well their form of socialism stands up.
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What has rightism brought us but decades of stagnation and decay, as we cede our position to China? The US is also not the world's economic power due to rampant free market magic.
 
Hasn't the United States risen to its economic might with its welfare state? Why do rightists assume that by destroying it we'd be more wealthy, when there is no precedent for that?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
How's that any different than Ted Kennedy or Howard Metzenbaum? You're missing my point Wacko!!

Wacko...put some historical perspective into this. On tax policy Bernie is to the right of Dwight Eisenhower.
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Ike was passive about taxes. If he had inherited a 39.5% top income tax rate, I doubt he would have changed it, either.
 
NOVA said:
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...rtland/page2&highlight=death+republican+party

Post 75
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Let me take this a step farther:

75,000 people show up to hear Obama speak in Portland

Post #75

evince said:
Meme the only rage we are seeing is from you.

No discussion of any issues just personal insults.

This is exactly why your party is on its death bed.

You will win no debate by avoiding the issues and facts and merely insulting people.

You and your party are so berift of Ideas and any basis to your totally failed positions that you are making it apparent to anyone who cares about this country that voting republican is voting for nothing but failure.
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Do you like your crow baked or raw, Desh?? :D
 
cawacko said:
Polls one year out before a vote has been cast in the primary have a long history of not being accurate.

And democratic socialism is a pejorative. There's a reason the U.S. is the world's economic power and it's not because of democratic socialism. Europe is already having economic and demographic challenges. Let's see them take on the leading military role in the world as well and see how well their form of socialism stands up.
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This is why I propose pulling all of our troops home and having them bring every wire, cement block, piece of lumber from those bases, with them.
Some country wants American troops stationed there, then let them pay the expenses.
 
Leonthecat said:
Top tax rates under Ike's entire eight years was 91%.
He never changed a thing.
http://federal-tax-rates.insidegov.com/d/a/Dwight-D.-Eisenhower
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What about the rest of Ike's tax code? Surely you don't just get orgasmic over the top rate do you? Should we adopt ALL of the tax rates from the 1950s for EVERYONE?

Surely you just aren't going to cherry pick one rate are you?

If I agree to the 91% top rate, will you agree to adopt the entire tax code from the 1950s including every rate for every payer?
 
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