The Deep State is Alive and Well, Selling the Same Old Lie: "Sources and Methods" | Matt Taibbi

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Matt Taibbi just came out with this article:

The theme of Tulsi Gabbard's efforts to further expose Russiagate has certainly been brought up before. Earl made a thread of it a few weeks ago here:

In terms of Matt Taibbi's article, you need to pay to see the whole thing, but I thought what was visible before the paywall was good enough for a post on its own. Still, I couldn't resist seeing the whole thing, so below is a bit more than what's available for free on the site. Quoting from introduction and conclusion below:
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Journalists were once eager to hear secrets. As they proved again this week, they're now primarily gatekeepers, helping corrupt officials hide the ball​


Aug 08, 2025

From “Gabbard overrode CIA officials’ concerns in push to release classified Russia report,” in the Washington Post this week:

The Trump administration pushed to unveil a highly classified document on Russia’s interference in the 2016 election after an intense behind-the-scenes struggle over secrecy, which ended in late July when Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard released a minimally redacted version of the report, according to multiple people familiar with the matter.

Gabbard, with the blessing of President Donald Trump, overrode arguments from the CIA and other intelligence agencies that more of the document should remain classified to obscure U.S. spy agencies’ sources and methods, the people said…
For sheer chutzpah, it’s hard to match Warren Stroebel’s crude hit piece. First, it isn’t news: many of us who wrote on Gabbard’s releases already reported that these documents came out over objections from other agencies. The crucial 46-page House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) report showing how officials like former CIA Director John Brennan cooked the books to argue Russia “aspired” to help Trump was declassified only after current HPSCI chairman Rick Crawford complained about it being “held hostage” at the CIA and “Trump interceded in early July,” as I put it weeks ago. Gabbard herself hinted at struggles with a still-formidable “deep state” in a speech on July 12th:

[16 second video clip with Tulsi in original]

More to the point, the fact that she’s had to fight elements in the intelligence community (and others in government) just to get true material to the public is to Gabbard’s credit, not any kind of demerit. The Post, in a breathtaking spin job, simply took news Gabbard’s office is proud of, and spat it out as a negative.

“I love the Washington Post headline,” said Alexa Henning, Deputy Chief of Staff in Gabbard’s office. “Of course, the deep state is going to try to push back against us. When the CIA and others are leaking to the Post and the New York Times, that means we’re onto something.”

A source close to the original HPSCI investigation added: “Gabbard had to climb Everest to get this stuff out, and they’re giving her a hard time… Ridiculous.”

Amid this week’s media attacks, not one reporter noted the fight over Russiagate releases is ongoing, and involves material some intelligence officials are still determined to keep hidden. According to multiple people with knowledge of the probes, the “sources and methods” the CIA and other agencies are most concerned about don’t involve sensitive human assets or intelligence gathering, but bureaucratic tricks to burnish weak evidence or cover up bad practices. Burying the unclassified Steele dossier in the highest level of classification in the 2017 Assessment, pushing analysts to endorse conclusions based on unseen information, and using a “circle jerk” method of leaking to friendly media and then citing their articles in intelligence reports are among the practices at issue.

The recent press hysterics have to be understood in this context. Features decrying releases to taxpayers of documents written by public servants omit another fact: when you hear “sources and methods,” it’s a good bet the next word out of a reporter’s mouth is a lie. It’s nearly a 100% tendency:

Once, journalists denounced excessive secrecy. Until the Trump years, it was common to see editorials at papers like the New York Times railing against overclassification. In the last ten years, legacy outlets flipped the script, and reporters reveled in new roles as gatekeepers who helped national security officials hide the ball.

In the Russiagate scandal, whose long-suppressed issues are now exploding into view thanks to officials like Gabbard and FBI Director Kash Patel, the “sources and methods” line has been invoked countless times to stall public demands for disclosure. If you read these stories closely, you’ll notice that the same bylines from the same newspapers figure over and over in these whitewash jobs.

In May of 2018, when the House Intelligence Committee was on the trail of an informant who’d been deployed to spy on figures in the Trump campaign, the Washington Post cried that releasing information about the informant would “cross a red line of compromising sources and methods.” The paper even quoted Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd in saying it could lead to “severe consequences including potential loss of human lives.” Virginia Senator Mark Warner warned House colleagues it was “potentially illegal” to even try to learn the informant’s name. The man in question turned out to be Stefan Halper, a U.K.-based academic who’d been outed as a CIA operative in the pages of the New York Times in 1983.

It was all a bluff, just like the cries about “sources and methods” when investigators attempted to get hold of text messages between FBI lovers Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and when Patel’s team of investigators tried to get documents pertaining to the faked FISA application used to spy on onetime Trump aide Carter Page. In the latter case, Patel’s assertions about FISA abuse were proven correct by an Inspector General investigation, but then-Congressman Adam Schiff and other House Democrats bemoaned what was described as an intrusion on “sources and methods” for “no legitimate purpose.”


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“Sources and methods” was the cri de coeur after Edward Snowden told the world about illegal surveillance. It was George Tenet’s excuse in a 2002 letter to the Senate for not giving better WMD intelligence. Judith Miller dragged it out in her defense after her WMD stories blew up. It is the oldest and most pathetic trick in the media book. Now, it’s being thrust back in service, at a desperate time.

Expect new information soon not only on Russiagate, but on the underlying bad practices that made it possible. The intensity of the infighting taking place between releases gives some indication of how damaging this information is. The intelligence bureaucracy isn’t going down without a fight.

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I just have a feeling its gonna just be another epstein file disappointment.

deep state, what deep state?

obama invented the deep state and put my picture in in the folio.

honestly,

we've all been made fools of.

Fools have been made of us all.

is 'us all' a redundant idiocy?

Fools have been made of we.

that's it.

A.I. in action.

The coolest A.I. Name is John Henry A.I.
 
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I just have a feeling its gonna just be another epstein file disappointment.

deep state, what deep state?

If you're suggesting that nothing major will change due to Tulsi Gabbard's revelations, you may be right. However, that doesn't change the fact that there's a real story here. I also think the Epstein files thing is important too. In that case, it looks like Trump's covering it up because he's in them.
 
If you're suggesting that nothing major will change due to Tulsi Gabbard's revelations, you may be right. However, that doesn't change the fact that there's a real story here. I also think the Epstein files thing is important too. In that case, it looks like Trump's covering it up because he's in them.
He is following his instructions because if he does not Murder Inc will take him out.
 
If you're suggesting that nothing major will change due to Tulsi Gabbard's revelations, you may be right. However, that doesn't change the fact that there's a real story here. I also think the Epstein files thing is important too. In that case, it looks like Trump's covering it up because he's in them.
He is following his instructions because if he does not Murder Inc will take him out.

I think case of Donald Trump, I think he tends to do what he thinks is best for himself and perhaps a bit of family and close friends. I have a lot more respect for a few people in his Administration such as Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.
 
If you're suggesting that nothing major will change due to Tulsi Gabbard's revelations, you may be right. However, that doesn't change the fact that there's a real story here. I also think the Epstein files thing is important too. In that case, it looks like Trump's covering it up because he's in them.
and ....

continuing on...

trump said I can take us all down or just the Democrats......

what do you think deep state said?
 
If you're suggesting that nothing major will change due to Tulsi Gabbard's revelations, you may be right. However, that doesn't change the fact that there's a real story here. I also think the Epstein files thing is important too. In that case, it looks like Trump's covering it up because he's in them.
and ....

continuing on...

trump said I can take us all down or just the Democrats......

Can you quote him saying that?
 
Republican whistleblowers always disappear or disappoint.

Tulsi Gabbard's doing a good job on Russiagate so far in my view. I also think RFK Jr.'s doing a fairly good job as head of HHS. Ofcourse, both of them were once democrats as well, and for good reason I think. I know Obama had his flaws, but I generally liked him. I gave Biden a chance but he seriously disappointed me. I never liked Trump, but he actually gave me some hope when he nominated Tulsi and RFK Jr. to be in his Administration. At this point, they're just about the only bright lights in his Administration that I can see, but something's something.
 
Tulsi Gabbard's doing a good job on Russiagate so far in my view. I also think RFK Jr.'s doing a fairly good job as head of HHS. Ofcourse, both of them were once democrats as well, and for good reason I think. I know Obama had his flaws, but I generally liked him. I gave Biden a chance but he seriously disappointed me. I never liked Trump, but he actually gave me some hope when he nominated Tulsi and RFK Jr. to be in his Administration. At this point, they're just about the only bright lights in his Administration that I can see, but something's something.
crumbs.

pathetic.


...led down a primrose path....
 
Tulsi Gabbard's doing a good job on Russiagate so far in my view. I also think RFK Jr.'s doing a fairly good job as head of HHS. Ofcourse, both of them were once democrats as well, and for good reason I think. I know Obama had his flaws, but I generally liked him. I gave Biden a chance but he seriously disappointed me. I never liked Trump, but he actually gave me some hope when he nominated Tulsi and RFK Jr. to be in his Administration. At this point, they're just about the only bright lights in his Administration that I can see, but something's something.
crumbs.

pathetic.

To quote the name of movie I thought was good, at this point, this is "as good as it gets". You do what you can with what you have.
 
To quote the name of movie I thought was good, at this point, this is "as good as it gets". You do what you can with what you have.
when I think of deep state, I think of a human, and then I Take away reason and accounability....

:evilnod:
 
Tulsi Gabbard's doing a good job on Russiagate so far in my view. I also think RFK Jr.'s doing a fairly good job as head of HHS. Ofcourse, both of them were once democrats as well, and for good reason I think. I know Obama had his flaws, but I generally liked him. I gave Biden a chance but he seriously disappointed me. I never liked Trump, but he actually gave me some hope when he nominated Tulsi and RFK Jr. to be in his Administration. At this point, they're just about the only bright lights in his Administration that I can see, but something's something.
Of course you think she’s great, you love a good conspiracy theory.

RFK Jr. is a moron of epic proportions, wrecking havoc on our healthcare system.
 
That's why its MGTOW for the win.

Of course you think she’s great, you love a good conspiracy theory.

RFK Jr. is a moron of epic proportions, wrecking havoc on our healthcare system.
you don't get it phanny,

trump has agreed to carry the water.

the establishment is switching hands.

But ironically, I'm more fucked than you.

you still have 99% the right idiot positions.
 
when I think of deep state, I think of a human, and then I Take away reason and accounability....

:evilnod:

I like the bit about thinking of a human, as the deep state definitely has those as part of its operation. As to reason, they certainly -have- their reasons for doing things, though frequently not good ones. As to accountability, there's a bit- some people push for it, such as those pushing for more information on both Russiagate and the Epstein files.
 
Tulsi Gabbard's doing a good job on Russiagate so far in my view. I also think RFK Jr.'s doing a fairly good job as head of HHS. Ofcourse, both of them were once democrats as well, and for good reason I think. I know Obama had his flaws, but I generally liked him. I gave Biden a chance but he seriously disappointed me. I never liked Trump, but he actually gave me some hope when he nominated Tulsi and RFK Jr. to be in his Administration. At this point, they're just about the only bright lights in his Administration that I can see, but something's something.
Of course you think she’s great, you love a good conspiracy theory.

I favour what makes the most sense. What she's saying resonates with what various journalists I've been reading from have been saying for the past few years. Because she's a part of the federal government, she's been able to reveal more information than journalists were capable of doing on their own as well.

RFK Jr. is a moron of epic proportions, wrecking havoc on our healthcare system.

Absolute balderdash- he's a beacon of hope, shining light on the corruption inherent in the U.S. healthcare system as much as he's able.
 
If you're suggesting that nothing major will change due to Tulsi Gabbard's revelations, you may be right. However, that doesn't change the fact that there's a real story here. I also think the Epstein files thing is important too. In that case, it looks like Trump's covering it up because he's in them.
I don't think that Trump has damaging information in there but there may be others who are associated with the administration or those who Trump wants to "persuade" to go along with his agenda who are.
 
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