IBDaMann
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Prove that Christians are wrong.
The Ethics of Suicide
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Litmus
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do you think suicidal ideation indicates depression, a medical condition that needs to be treated?
Into Тhe Night
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There's a lot they're wrong about. For starters, Jesus was an end-times preacher who thought the world was going to end in his generation.
Into Тhe Night
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It's irrelevant. If someone wants to die, it's not my place to tell them that they can't.
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Not necessarily. If you're sentenced to life in prison for placing a bomb at a Synagogue or African-American Sunday school class and the first week in prison is you getting assfucked by your block's entire Aryan Nation gang, would committing suicide be depression? Would therapy and a xanax stop you from getting assfucked every day for the rest of your life? Wouldn't suicide just be your "exit strategy"?
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BidenPresident
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That seems true.
IBDaMann
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1. That would make Jesus (a Jew) wrong, not Christians as a class.
2. I see no logical way to draw that from the Bible. I'll have to ask gfm7175 about this. He's my go-to expert on Biblical matters. I'll find out and get back to you.
Litmus
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Not necessarily. If you're sentenced to life in prison for placing a bomb at a Synagogue or African-American Sunday school class and the first week in prison is you getting assfucked by your block's entire Aryan Nation gang, would committing suicide be depression? Would therapy and a xanax stop you from getting assfucked every day for the rest of your life? Wouldn't suicide just be your "exit strategy"?
yes. necessarily.
you suck at psychology.
and im neither violent, nor a revolutionary.
only the lefty blm antifa groups you support have declared autonomous zones.
I think the system is still highly redeemable.
globalists are getting purged peacefully tho. they will be told their ideas are stupid en masse.
Litmus
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you're sick nazi filth.
Litmus
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no he wasn't.
Into Тhe Night
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I know a lot about the Bible, actually. There's a group on Reddit called r/academicbiblical, and I email with a couple of the moderators there. (You can't be a moderator there unless you have verifiable credentials in this area.)
Regarding Jesus as a failed end-times preacher, the New Testament is full of evidence of early Christians coping with the failure of Jesus’ promise to return with their own generation.
During his mission, Jesus proclaimed that the Kingdom would arrive within his generation, probably while his disciples were still alive (Mark 1:15, 13:30; Matt 10:7).
When Christians began to die decades following the crucifixion, Paul and others coped with the anxiety of the delay by stating that some would still be alive (1 Thess. 4:15-17; Mark 9:1), including the high priest (Mark 14:62).
To deal with the delay, the author of Luke tones down Mark by removing “in power” in Mark 9:1. This is because for Luke the Kingdom has already “come to you” in Jesus’ own ministry (11:10). He also changes Mark 14:62 since the high priest was long dead (Luke 22:69).
When almost the entire first generation had died, “rumor spread in the community” that one disciple would still remain when the Kingdom arrived (John 21:22-23)
Then he too died, so it must have been that “Jesus did not say that he would not die.” Increase in delay caused “scoffers will come…saying, ‘Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since our ancestors died, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation!” New arguments of defense arose, such as our concept of time being irrelevant because “With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (2 Peter 3:3-8).
The author of John uses the “spiritual” tactic seen so often in apocalyptic movements following a delay. In short, the earthly kingdom is now a spiritual one, available in the present for all who are “born from above” (3:3, 5). The apocalyptic message about a coming Son of Man is absent.
By the time the Gospel of Thomas was written, a future kingdom is completely rejected by many Christians. “Rather, the (Father’s) kingdom is within you and it is outside you,” and “is spread out upon the earth, and people don’t see it” (Thom 3, 113; see also 18).
Into Тhe Night
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You're the fascist who wants to control others' lives.
Litmus
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should you encourage anorexics to keep dieting?
do you believe in the profession of psychology / psychiatry?
Into Тhe Night
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I would tell an anorexic that they're sick, but I wouldn't force them to eat. It's not my place to force anyone to do anything.
I don't know what you mean by "believe" in this context. Science isn't a matter of faith.
Litmus
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would you take them to the hospital if they collapsed in your presence and you were the only one around?
Into Тhe Night
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Yes. How is this relevant? It seems like you're searching for a gotcha moment.
Litmus
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why?
Into Тhe Night
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The difference between someone who is suicidal and someone who is anorexic is that the anorexic isn't looking to end their existence. That's why. A person who wishes to cease existing should be able to do so peacefully.
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