The eventual effects of deregulation

cawacko said:
No one has said anything in this thread about a bulletproof majority except you. I would suggest taking a deep breath and calming down for a minute. You are taking this way too personal. The issue was funding of OSHA and Democratic control of Congress which controls the purse strings. That's what was stated.
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Therein is the lie. A majority does not mean "control". Control is where no opposition can stop legislation.
 
Steelplate said:
Therein is the lie. A majority does not mean "control". Control is where no opposition can stop legislation.
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So basically all of America has been lying for several hundred years when referring to a party controlling either chamber, or both, of Congress without veto proof majorities?
 
cawacko said:
So basically all of America has been lying for several hundred years when referring to a party controlling either chamber, or both, of Congress without veto proof majorities?
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Veto proof? Who in the hell brought up veto? Change the dynamic much?
 
cawacko said:
So basically all of America has been lying for several hundred years when referring to a party controlling either chamber, or both, of Congress without veto proof majorities?
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I think it is a change in Congress, and the filibuster.
 
Steelplate said:
Veto proof? Who in the hell brought up veto? Change the dynamic much?
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Jesus dude. Are you always this obtuse? Veto proof as in you can't be filibustered. There's nothing the other party can do to stop you. It's the exact same thing as what you said above.
 
cawacko said:
Jesus dude. Are you always this obtuse? Veto proof as in you can't be filibustered. There's nothing the other party can do to stop you. It's the exact same thing as what you said above.
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Veto is a presidential function. And no....they didn't' have a filibuster proof majority for all that time, and you know it.
 
Steelplate said:
Veto is a presidential function. And no....they didn't' have a filibuster proof majority for all that time, and you know it.
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SMDH. I never said they did. Man you are all over the place. We were talking about definition of control. Wow.
 
Steelplate said:
Control is filibuster proof. Quit trying yo move the goalpost.
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Dude, I'm not moving anything. You are the one jumping around. So you believe Americans have been lying for several hundred years when saying one party or the other controls one branch, or both, of Congress without filibuster proof majorities. Ok.
 
So Steelplate, since you are jumping in here what deregulation law or bill do you believe caused this accident to occur?
 
cawacko said:
So Steelplate, since you are jumping in here what deregulation law or bill do you believe caused this accident to occur?
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A general reduction in funding over time for safety. Look at our infrastructure in general as an example. Bridges, roads, dams, levees...and yes...shit like this.

BTW...nursing homes, apartment buildings, even a hospital...who's in charge of zoning in that state?
 
cawacko said:
So more regulations (which Zappa is arguing is good) under the Bush Administration caused the agency to be less efficient? If that's your position it's definitely possible as I would think any agency having to adapt to new rule changes would take some time to get fully up and running on the new requirements.
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It certainly can. The new big thing, at least in my area, is Chromium Filtration. Long story short, it adds a fuck ton of new stuff for OSHA to worry about, making them less able to inspect different locations.
 
Steelplate said:
A general reduction in funding over time for safety. Look at our infrastructure in general as an example. Bridges, roads, dams, levees...and yes...shit like this.

BTW...nursing homes, apartment buildings, even a hospital...who's in charge of zoning in that state?
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Zoning is usually left up to each city. Not sure who thought it would be a good idea to put housing next to this place.
 
Steelplate said:
I know...I get tired of hearing this outright lie repeated over and over. But conservatives never let facts get in the way of their propaganda.
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I read this article on George W. and it made me think of this thread. The SF Chronicle is hardly a bastion of conservative thought so I'm not sure why they would repeat this "lie" but they do.


"Bush was sworn in as president with a Republican House and a Republican Senate. By the time he turned the Oval Office over to Barack Obama, Democrats were in control of both houses of Congress."


http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2013/04/23/george-w-bushs-top-five-successes-and-failures/
 
cawacko said:
I read this article on George W. and it made me think of this thread. The SF Chronicle is hardly a bastion of conservative thought so I'm not sure why they would repeat this "lie" but they do.


"Bush was sworn in as president with a Republican House and a Republican Senate. By the time he turned the Oval Office over to Barack Obama, Democrats were in control of both houses of Congress."


http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2013/04/23/george-w-bushs-top-five-successes-and-failures/
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I got as far as the no terrorists attacks

2001 anthrax attacks. A March 2004 State Department report on "Significant Terrorist Incidents, 1961-2003" quotes then-Attorney General John Ashcroft saying of the letters containing anthrax mailed to various targets: "When people send anthrax through the mail to hurt people and invoke terror, it's a terrorist act." Five people were killed as a result of those letters in the autumn of 2001.

2002 attack against El Al ticket counter at LAX. In July 2002, Hesham Mohamed Hadayet opened fire at an El Al Airlines ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport killing two people and wounding four others before being shot dead. A 2004 Justice Department report stated that Hadayet's case had been "officially designated as an act of international terrorism."

2002 DC-area sniper. The state of Virginia indicted Washington, D.C.-area sniper John Allen Muhammad -- along with his accomplice, a minor at the time -- on terrorism charges for one of the murders he committed during a three-week shooting spree across Maryland, Virginia, and Washington, D.C. Muhammad was convicted, sentenced to death, and subsequently executed for the crime.

2006 UNC SUV attack. In March 2006, University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill graduate Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar drove an SUV into an area of campus, striking nine pedestrians. According to reports, Taheri-azar said he acted because he wanted to "avenge the deaths or murders of Muslims around the world." Taheri-azar also reportedly stated in a letter: "I was aiming to follow in the footsteps of one of my role models, Mohammad Atta, one of the 9/11/01 hijackers, who obtained a doctorate degree."
 
Rana said:
I got as far as the no terrorists attacks

2001 anthrax attacks. A March 2004 State Department report on "Significant Terrorist Incidents, 1961-2003" quotes then-Attorney General John Ashcroft saying of the letters containing anthrax mailed to various targets: "When people send anthrax through the mail to hurt people and invoke terror, it's a terrorist act." Five people were killed as a result of those letters in the autumn of 2001.

2002 attack against El Al ticket counter at LAX. In July 2002, Hesham Mohamed Hadayet opened fire at an El Al Airlines ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport killing two people and wounding four others before being shot dead. A 2004 Justice Department report stated that Hadayet's case had been "officially designated as an act of international terrorism."

2002 DC-area sniper. The state of Virginia indicted Washington, D.C.-area sniper John Allen Muhammad -- along with his accomplice, a minor at the time -- on terrorism charges for one of the murders he committed during a three-week shooting spree across Maryland, Virginia, and Washington, D.C. Muhammad was convicted, sentenced to death, and subsequently executed for the crime.

2006 UNC SUV attack. In March 2006, University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill graduate Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar drove an SUV into an area of campus, striking nine pedestrians. According to reports, Taheri-azar said he acted because he wanted to "avenge the deaths or murders of Muslims around the world." Taheri-azar also reportedly stated in a letter: "I was aiming to follow in the footsteps of one of my role models, Mohammad Atta, one of the 9/11/01 hijackers, who obtained a doctorate degree."
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I posted the link based on our previous discussion of term 'control' when it comes to Congress.
 
cawacko said:
When did we start defining 'controlling Congress' as only having a filibuster proof majority?
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When obstructionist Congressional Righties announced to the world their number one priority would be to ensure Obama didn't get a single piece of legislation he supported passed by congress.
 
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