The Firearms Statistics That Gun Control Advocates Don’t Want to See

WinterBorn said:
Since I have hunted deer with a .243, .270, .308, .30-06, 7mm Mag, 45-70, and a .44 mag revolver, I can't speak to the AK idea.

But for accuracy, availability of ammo, and recoil that doesn't make range work a hassle, the .270 wins out.
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Well ballistically the AK is the same as a 30-30, but in a shorter, more ergonomic, and lighter package, with better accessories.
 
I have never shot deer or elk with a firearm. Always been a bow hunter. I think I am going to hunt with a rifle this year. Considering using my Mosin Nagant.
 
RazorX said:
To accompany TheBlaze's coverage of the National Rifle Association's annual meeting in Houston, we figured it could be helpful to share some gun statistics pointed out to us by some of the NRA Convention attendees. Forget the talking points used by both sides in the gun control debate; we're going to be talking about verified statistics.


Gun control advocates be advised, these are not the statistics you are looking for.


According to data from the FBI's uniform crime reports, California had the highest number of gun murders in 2011 with 1,220 -- which makes up 68 percent of all murders in the state that year and equates to 3.25 murders per 100,000 people.


The irony of such a grisly distinction is evident when you look at which state was named the state with the strongest gun control laws in 2011 by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. You guessed it -- it was California.


"What is very unusual is that California also has a program by which we can remove guns, recover guns from people who have a gun and then subsequently become prohibited or dangerous," Brady Campaign spokeswoman Amanda Wilcox said at the time.


It should be noted, though, that California is also one of the biggest states in the country, with a population of about about 37 million. Therefore, it might make sense that it would have a high number of murders but its murder rate is still high as gun control has had a seemingly inconsequential impact. In comparison, Texas has a population of about 25.6 million and saw 699 total gun murders in 2011 -- nearly half that of California -- and a firearms murder rate of 2.91 per 100,000.


In 2011, Utah, the state that the Brady Campaign determined had the least gun control, experienced just 26 gun murders and a firearms murder rate of 0.97. Utah has a population 2.8 million.


But if you look at the data another way -- murders per 100,000 people -- another gun control haven tops the list.


The FBI data also notes that Washington, D.C. had the highest murder rate per 100,000 people. The nation's capital saw 12 gun murders per 100,000 in 2011. DC also finished first in gun-related robberies per 100,000 people - with 242.56.


In 1976, the District of Columbia required all guns be registered, banned new handguns and required guns at home to be stored and dissembled or locked up. Unfortunately, the draconian measures -- which lasted more than three decades -- didn't had the desired effect.


Journalist and attorney Jeffrey Scott Shapiro explains the not-so-surprising result in an op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal on Jan. 15, 2013:
The gun ban had an unintended effect: It emboldened criminals because they knew that law-abiding District residents were unarmed and powerless to defend themselves. Violent crime increased after the law was enacted, with homicides rising to 369 in 1988, from 188 in 1976 when the ban started. By 1993, annual homicides had reached 454.
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Since the gun ban was struck down, murders in the District have steadily gone down, from 186 in 2008 to 88 in 2012, the lowest number since the law was enacted in 1976.
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Though it should be noted that the gun murders started decreasing in 1994.


Today, Washington, D.C. still has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. And yet again, the gun murder rate remains dramatically high, the highest in the United States in fact.


So, do the numbers indicate that gun control is the answer to gun violence? You decide.

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http://news.yahoo.com/firearms-statistics-gun-control-advocates-don-t-want-194040384.html
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Which came first?

The gun control
or
The gun violence

Simply stating that area's with the most strict gun laws are the reason for gun crimes is uneducated. Generally harsh gun laws derive from repeated "free citizens" abusing their freedom.

Basic Politics.
 
Anti-Party said:
You don't seem to know much about guns.
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7.62mm equates to a .30 caliber....the difference between different .30 caliber rounds is length of the cartridge.

For instance, s 30.06 is 7.62x63, a .308 is 7.62x51 and the Mosin is 7.62x54.

I had to look up the 30-30....the 30-30 is actually 7.8mmx51....never knew that.
 
Steelplate said:
7.62mm equates to a .30 caliber....the difference between different .30 caliber rounds is length of the cartridge.

For instance, s 30.06 is 7.62x63, a .308 is 7.62x51 and the Mosin is 7.62x54.

I had to look up the 30-30....the 30-30 is actually 7.8mmx51....never knew that.
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Cartidge naming is one of the most confusing and insane endeavors ever.
 
Steelplate said:
7.62mm equates to a .30 caliber....the difference between different .30 caliber rounds is length of the cartridge.

For instance, s 30.06 is 7.62x63, a .308 is 7.62x51 and the Mosin is 7.62x54.

I had to look up the 30-30....the 30-30 is actually 7.8mmx51....never knew that.
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ACTUALLY (puts on horn rimmed glasses), the 30-30 is known in Europe as the 7.62x51R. Then you have the OTHER rimmed 7.62x51R known as the 307 Winchester. And then you have the BRITISH cartridges......

If you think naming nomenclature makes sense you're insane.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
ACTUALLY (puts on horn rimmed glasses), the 30-30 is known in Europe as the 7.62x51R. Then you have the OTHER rimmed 7.62x51R known as the 307 Winchester. And then you have the BRITISH cartridges......

If you think naming nomenclature makes sense you're insane.
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Lol...where did I make the claim that it made sense....most of it is proprietary bullshit.
 
Steelplate said:
Lol...where did I make the claim that it made sense....most of it is proprietary bullshit.
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And some involves uses of various measurements, although nothing standard. They even used muzzle velocity on at least one round, the 250-3000. Although I believe they renamed it the 250 Savage after a 3,000fps velocity was no longer so amazing.

Hell, they even adjust the measurements to sound better. Nobody would buy a .43, but they line up to buy a .44.
 
WinterBorn said:
And some involves uses of various measurements, although nothing standard. They even used muzzle velocity on at least one round, the 250-3000. Although I believe they renamed it the 250 Savage after a 3,000fps velocity was no longer so amazing.

Hell, they even adjust the measurements to sound better. Nobody would buy a .43, but they line up to buy a .44.
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I have a buddy who has a Redhawk in .41Mag...nice gun...he put a scope on it though ...can't get used to a pistol scope.
 
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