The Good Old Days....but for whom?

[Guno צְבִי]

The racist Democrats are the losers and when they are in power we all lose

Poor rube, did the DOT pull your ticket

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Nope. Are Republicans saying legacy students aren't smart enough to get into college on their grade point average? Seems so, as the SCOTUS WON'T TOUCH THAT WITH A TEN FOOT POLE!

Were legacy admissions challenged in court? The recent case was based on the 14th Amendment equal protection clause which clearly applies to race. It does not apply to legacy admissions who are not a protected class.

Ahh, but here lies the rub from the 14th Amendment: No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Legacy students usurp an applicant who meant all the academic standards for admission.

The consistent balk against AA was that it did the same as mentioned above (though not wholly accurate, as there were AA students who did meet the standards).

The common thread is that an applicant despite their qualifications were denied a spot due to a legacy student. Matter of fact, matter of history. And you would be hard pressed to find a black legacy student in an Ivy league university doing so....and if you did, that ratio to white legacy students would be pitifully low.

So the current filing of suit against legacy students based on race is not so far fetched, given the precedent just set by the SCOTUS.

Hope this helps.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Spare me your revisionist rhetoric (Dems control everything in the country...no Southern Strategy, no Jim Crow, no redlining...etc., etc.). What this does is removal a partial federal mandate, but does not prevent folk of good will, honesty and common sense from letting their state educational system regress to the subliminal and subconscious racism that ruled for so long.

Da fuq are you talking about?

Sober up and then click back and read the exchanges CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, as I tire of repeating myself to the either truly dense or the stubborn willfully ignorant.

 

[Nordberg]

Guess you will have to treat blacks as normal people now instead of an inferior race.

I hope you can adjust

AA was done because what is normal in America is holding minorities down. Perhaps we will go back to the good old days of blatant and public racism.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Sober up and then click back and read the exchanges CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, as I tire of repeating myself to the either truly dense or the stubborn willfully ignorant.

Any time you repeat yourself, Taich, you repeat total drivel.

You could not admit that you had no answer to my question.

Even if we mitigate ALL the issues that we have with discrimination in our multi-cultural nation,
and every citizen of every ethnicity genuinely has both equal status under the law
and equal opportunity--things for which we admittedly must continue to strive--
wouldn't we still be light years behind the solidarity of nations that are close to being ethnically homogeneous?

How is diversity a strength?
In our nation, it's our reality
and we must do the best that we can with it,
but how is it a strength?

You have neither an answer nor a willingness to admit that you don't have an answer.
I can't come up with one either, and I genuinely wish that I could.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
The basis of affirmative action was to start to correcting for the hundreds of years of slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, segregation, torture, and discrimination, to name a few reasons. Asians most certainly do face discrimination, but the experiences of Blacks and Asians in the US are not comparable.

I won’t argue against that.
But blacks have had AA for decades now.
I’m talking about the present. There’s no question Asian Americans are discriminated against in higher education . Not at all in real life. In fact They tend to have a good reputation for being industrious.
. But Blacks have advantages no one else has .

For your reference:

- Despite being officially enacted about 60 years ago, AA has had to be enforce in various forms over the decade in various states. Take note of how California maintained diversity in education WITHOUT AA. Most states are not and will not do likewise.

- This country had institutionalize slavery and it's Jim Crow baby for over 300 years....only a fool would think you could erase such an ingrained bigotry from a country in just 60 years....just look at arguments STILL defending Confederate Flags, comparing indentured servitude to slavery, redlining cases across the country, etc.

- You parrot the subconscious racial platitudes regarding Asians, and then the nonsense of black folk in general having unique advantageous in society. Try telling that to all the innocent victims of police racism in the last 20 years.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

For your reference:

- Despite being officially enacted about 60 years ago, AA has had to be enforce in various forms over the decade in various states. Take note of how California maintained diversity in education WITHOUT AA. Most states are not and will not do likewise.

- This country had institutionalize slavery and it's Jim Crow baby for over 300 years....only a fool would think you could erase such an ingrained bigotry from a country in just 60 years....just look at arguments STILL defending Confederate Flags, comparing indentured servitude to slavery, redlining cases across the country, etc.

- You parrot the subconscious racial platitudes regarding Asians, and then the nonsense of black folk in general having unique advantageous in society. Try telling that to all the innocent victims of police racism in the last 20 years.

Good job staying away from my comments, Taich.
You're at least smart enough to do that.

 

[Taichiliberal]

TDAK and volsrock have to be over the moon happy to have you, Taichiliberal, to use as an example
to justify their blatantly bigoted views on the intelligence of African Americans..

By age six, my children would have understood what I've been trying to get through to you.

The request for was somebody to explain why diversity is an asset to a culture compared to homogeneity.

Explaining what needs to be done to remedy present problems in a nation that's not homogeneous doesn't even BEGIN to address the subject.

One isn't addressing the issue if comparing a hypothetically reformed America to
the present America
and pointing out the improvements.
That's a totally different subject.

One must compare the hypothetically reformed America
to a homogeneous nation
and then explain how having diversity is a social strength.

We will never be a culturally homogeneous nation
so we obviously must learn to do better as a culturally diverse one.
That has not been disputed during the conduct of this discussion.

Still, that does not in any way give us reason to call our diversity an asset.
Calling it an asset requires showing our advantages over homogeneous cultures
which seem to me at least,
to have the solidarity to be more socially progressive than we are.

I wish somebody else would discuss this as you are obviously either unable or more likely, unwilling
to do so,

and I'm not qualified to make the assessment as to whether
you're an idiot or just an asshole.

It's probably safe to narrow it down to those two choices, however.

Post #69, dear readers.

Old Nifty just throws in the kitchen sink while

It never ceases to amaze me how people who perceive themselves to be intelligent and insightful on a particular subject just lose their minds when confronted with logic derived from easily documented facts that deconstructs their opinion=facts diatribes. Let's watch Nifty just blather on.

 

[Flash]

Ahh, but here lies the rub from the 14th Amendment: No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Legacy students usurp an applicant who meant all the academic standards for admission.

The consistent balk against AA was that it did the same as mentioned above (though not wholly accurate, as there were AA students who did meet the standards).

The common thread is that an applicant despite their qualifications were denied a spot due to a legacy student. Matter of fact, matter of history. And you would be hard pressed to find a black legacy student in an Ivy league university doing so....and if you did, that ratio to white legacy students would be pitifully low.

So the current filing of suit against legacy students based on race is not so far fetched, given the precedent just set by the SCOTUS.

Hope this helps.

It is a big stretch to compare using race in admissions with legacy admissions from a legal perspective.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Post #69, dear readers.

Old Nifty just throws in the kitchen sink while

It never ceases to amaze me how people who perceive themselves to be intelligent and insightful on a particular subject just lose their minds when confronted with logic derived from easily documented facts that deconstructs their opinion=facts diatribes. Let's watch Nifty just blather on.

And still no effort to address the advantages or disadvantages of diversity.
This guy is clearly special needs.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
For your reference:

- Despite being officially enacted about 60 years ago, AA has had to be enforce in various forms over the decade in various states. Take note of how California maintained diversity in education WITHOUT AA. Most states are not and will not do likewise.

- This country had institutionalize slavery and it's Jim Crow baby for over 300 years....only a fool would think you could erase such an ingrained bigotry from a country in just 60 years....just look at arguments STILL defending Confederate Flags, comparing indentured servitude to slavery, redlining cases across the country, etc.

- You parrot the subconscious racial platitudes regarding Asians, and then the nonsense of black folk in general having unique advantageous in society. Try telling that to all the innocent victims of police racism in the last 20 years.

Good job staying away from my comments, Taich.
You're at least smart enough to do that.

Like a bitch in heat, you keep humping my leg for attention. I just finished addressing your latest screed, Nifty. Seems you just can't stand being wrong on any point. Why don't you just go lament over a beer about the "good old days" of unofficially segregated neighborhoods of your youth, etc., etc.? All you're going to do here is just angrily repeat the SOS six ways to Sunday. Hell, you didn't even respond to what I said to Flash...you picking up the gauntlet and all.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Post #69, dear readers.

Old Nifty just throws in the kitchen sink while

It never ceases to amaze me how people who perceive themselves to be intelligent and insightful on a particular subject just lose their minds when confronted with logic derived from easily documented facts that deconstructs their opinion=facts diatribes. Let's watch Nifty just blather on.

And still no effort to address the advantages or disadvantages of diversity.
This guy is clearly special needs.

So the man in your mirror tells you. Pity the objective, rational reader knows differently.

We've done this dance, Nifty. You're just too proud, stubborn and a little bigoted to do anything other than repeat the SOS ad nausea. Well, go right ahead..I'll just watch you fuss and fume like a petulant child. See ya later.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

AA was done because what is normal in America is holding minorities down. Perhaps we will go back to the good old days of blatant and public racism.

Democrats are holding them down not America.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Ahh, but here lies the rub from the 14th Amendment: No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Legacy students usurp an applicant who meant all the academic standards for admission.

The consistent balk against AA was that it did the same as mentioned above (though not wholly accurate, as there were AA students who did meet the standards).

The common thread is that an applicant despite their qualifications were denied a spot due to a legacy student. Matter of fact, matter of history. And you would be hard pressed to find a black legacy student in an Ivy league university doing so....and if you did, that ratio to white legacy students would be pitifully low.

So the current filing of suit against legacy students based on race is not so far fetched, given the precedent just set by the SCOTUS.

Hope this helps.

It is a big stretch to compare using race in admissions with legacy admissions from a legal perspective.

Hold the phone, son. In that excerpt I posted, WHERE IS RACE MENTIONED? See, this is what was referenced by the SCOTUS to strike down AA.

So if that "big stretch" regarding legacy, why isn't it a "big stretch" regarding AA?

Fair is fair.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

So the man in your mirror tells you. Pity the objective, rational reader knows differently.

We've done this dance, Nifty. You're just too proud, stubborn and a little bigoted to do anything other than repeat the SOS ad nausea. Well, go right ahead..I'll just watch you fuss and fume like a petulant child. See ya later.

Just about every one of my posts clearly stated that diversity was our reality
and that we must continue to strive to make it work equitably for everybody.

The Question was,

How is diversity a strength when we compare ourselves to more homogeneous nations
who surpass us in social-economic progressiveness?

You won't get into that question's area code, Taich,
when all you have to do is admit,
as I have,
that you don't see a way.

How did you become so intellectually lacking?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
AA was done because what is normal in America is holding minorities down. Perhaps we will go back to the good old days of blatant and public racism.

Democrats are holding them down not America.

You're a one trick pony, ain't ya?

The only core answer you have for everything is that Democrats are at fault. Can you at least try to discuss the matters at hand in a little more detail and elaboration? Otherwiser, you come off as just some intellectually limited MAGA troll.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

You're a one trick pony, ain't ya?

Still waiting to see your trick, Taich.
Do you have at least one?

 

[Taichiliberal]

That's a nice anecdote about Boston, but it doesn't come close to comprehending racial relations in the US.

Isn't it fascinating how he just glosses over the "unofficial" segregation of neighborhoods in Boston? Maybe he was out of town during the riots that ensued when the bussing issue came up? I mean, it was a lame answer to the city/state to enforce decent equal education in all it's school districts, but the peeling back of the racist skin to all of America was a sight to behold.

Of course in Nifty's mind there is no problem with society so long as "those people" know their place and assimilate wholly while downplaying any ethnic/racial aspects of their life. Nope, no problems in France, or Italy, Israel, etc., etc.

 

[Taichiliberal]

you are an oppressor because you are white,, try to keep up

No stupid, he's a bigot and a racist as to how he act and reacts on this site. Lord knows what he's really like in real life.

 

[Taichiliberal]

I didn't think you could answer.

Yes, the democrats are the party of racism. Always were, always will be.

And the Southern Strategy doesn't exist, and there was no racial animosity from the GOP during the Obama years.

Sure, and Santa Claus is real.